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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Tam from Qld, Australia on July 28, 2017 @ 2:45 pm
    Please head over to the facebook page. Child Support Australia Time For Reform.

    Sign the petition and lets get things real with CSA!

    You will also learn valuable information on how to deal with different issues!!

    #reformcs
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on July 27, 2017 @ 8:37 am
    so CSA has again taken money from my GST credit and I mean a huge amount claiming that a sole traders money is personal money. I have no money at all now none, I cant pay my house payments insurance fuel food nothing. how can I get that money back, I lodged a financial hardship form on the 13th and I rang the to ask what is going on and they said oh we have not finalized the application because the needed more information, why the f@#$ didn't they call me the next day. now they are saying that the money once given away they can not get it back. I don't know what to do I cant pay a lawyer I'm not on centerlink I have nothing I am so f@#$%#@ angry, fuc@ child support wanke#$
    1750. By: Mick from Vic, Australia on July 19, 2017 @ 2:42 pm
    How many dads bill the CSA for causing harm? Should this be a practice more dads need to adopt?
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:38 am
    "By: Doc from ACT, Australia on May 15, 2017 @ 4:03 pm
    Hello to all
    I have been unemployed for the last 2 years and have paid monthly support payments through CSA out of my termination payment and savings every month. I did not inform CSA that I was still unemployed after july 2016 (apparently every 12 months I am meant to do that) so decided to bill me based on my termination pay from 2015, which put me in debt by about 12k. I just completed my 2015/16 tax which was my termination payout, and they have billed me another 12k from my termination package. So they have essentially double dipped. For the only income I received in 2015/16 was a one of termination payment. So I have been incorrectly assessed as I have not been working, I did tell then in 2015 I was Terminated and would be receiving a Termination payment. Just asking is the legit and is there anything I can do. They say too bad too sad.
    Thanks
    Doc"
    Hi Doc, I took CSA through the SSAT system in 2013 and won. They were demanding and taking more than required (way less than your deal ) but still these pricks needed to be put in their place and stopped from doing what they did to you and me.
    Well worth the exercise mate.
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:34 am
    "By: Brian P from SA, Aust on July 12, 2017 @ 10:53 pm
    @Gary, request a copy of any agreement/contract that gives the CSA, ATO, any agency or any body/person any lawful right to any value from your labour without your consent. Don't argue or refuse, just ask Qs and have them produce proofs. Do discovery of all documents. You are the KING and they are but servants, albeit they would have you think otherwise. "
    Hi Brian, where do i start to get such documents?? Cheers
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:21 am
    Thank you to everyone who has commented here. I read through a lot of comments and nodding my head with the usual "yep, this poor guy knows how UNFAIR the CSAholes system is".
    CSA's latest stunt to me was to intercept nearly half my tax return knowing full well that she hasn't lodged her return therefore they use her last estimate of $20,000 (when in fact she earns over $40,000 and when the file is updated, they'll realise that I've overpaid.... and they'll just KEEP the money in credit.
    I have written them (CSAholes) a nice letter of complaint so will be interesting to see what they say!
    I divorced that x crement 7 years ago. She took me for everything, bankrupted me, and still plays every game you can imagine to make everything as difficult as possible. I got screwed over in court with the crappiest court orders you've ever seen, prob like most of us here.

    What I would like to see happen is a major overhaul of the CSA system in Australia and give us real dads the rights to our children and the rights of fairness to change the CSA man-hating - womens-rigged bias to the whole system !!!

    Anyone know how this could be done???
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on July 13, 2017 @ 9:20 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket/agenda destroying families and creating the new "stolen generation" and domestic violence.
    If only there was a real form of" good opposition " out there somewhere...
    Many hurt people come here ,me included. Hurt by ex but more importantly the system.
    Fight the system not each other.
    The system helps no one it only allows funding people to hate each other through inequality, in a time of equality?.
    Its all about awareness, child support is a fake bonus given to someone who hates or is at a misguided/heighten emotional state of mind(inflamed by family law solicitors psychological manipulators ), given as a right. When both parents had equal responsibility before.
    This so called child support helps no one ,it creates more animosity, at an already difficult time. Fathers begging for access to their children are met with one sided laws, which lead them to a state of rage ,eg domestic violence.
    On the other hand you have the ugly side which no democracy abiding media outlet will touch -SUICIDE.
    28 men commit suicide each week as a result of helplessness, caused by inhuman family flaw outcomes/laws.
    You may think you have won , but what? At what cost? Someone's life or a few dollars and misery , without any care for the father of the kids you call your own.
    What a mess , stay strong people, fight the system not each other.
    Revolution dreaming. ..





    By: MikeP from Western Australia, Australia on July 13, 2017 @ 3:15 pm
    C'mon guys, "don't get married", "don't have kids" that's ridiculous!! We need to go out on streets and stop this nonsense. The solution where everybody live happily ever after was found in Scandinavia. If you don't know what I'm talking about please try to figure out how divorce looks like there. Simple, easy and a solution that completely makes sense.
    By: Brian P from SA, Aust on July 12, 2017 @ 10:53 pm
    @Gary, request a copy of any agreement/contract that gives the CSA, ATO, any agency or any body/person any lawful right to any value from your labour without your consent. Don't argue or refuse, just ask Qs and have them produce proofs. Do discovery of all documents. You are the KING and they are but servants, albeit they would have you think otherwise.
    By: gary from Qld, australia on July 12, 2017 @ 10:46 am
    Hey there
    Does anyone know the form and where to get it to object to CSA ot ATO to take your tax return.
    By: Tony Leape from nsw, australia on July 11, 2017 @ 7:52 pm
    I agree with you Mark. Stop impregnating the gold diggers. Male wage earners in Australia are targets.
    By: sam from vic, the lucky country on July 11, 2017 @ 12:23 pm
    does any one actually have a solution
    1740. By: Fedup from All, Oz on June 29, 2017 @ 4:49 pm
    Why doesn't anyone just blow up the entire CSA?
    Do everyone a favor!!!
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on June 25, 2017 @ 3:02 am
    THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE , DONT GET MARRIED AND DONT HAVE CHILDREN I FUCKING HATE CHILDREN , LIFE IS NOT ABOUT FUVKING GETTING MARRIED AND BE A BITCH AND SLAVE FOR WIFE AND CHILDREN THEY WILL TAKE UR WEALTH AND UR HEALTH WITHIUT EVEN SAYING THANKS DAD , LIFE HAS MORE MEANING THAN THIS WHEN U DIE U GO BY URSELF INTO THE GRAVE NONE OF THIS LITTLE SHITS OR THEIR MOTHER ARE COMING WITH U
    By: Brian P from SA, Aust on June 23, 2017 @ 8:18 pm
    re TheP... If a good r'ship exists with EX form a private agreement. What agreement was made with CSA? Agreements are dynamic so learn how to vary them with acquiescence or nullify it altogether by invalidating the formation. Do discovery on CSA and get them to prove up everything especially any contract.
    By: ThePartner from WA, Australia on June 23, 2017 @ 6:08 pm
    Hey guys,
    Looking for a little advice and support here. My partner has two children to an ex wife, who he has 50/50 custody of. We both happily support the children and have continually paid child support. Now she is with another man and had a baby and made the decision not to work, which in turn increases the child support amount. I generally wouldn't expect the new partner to support the children fully however she has chosen to stop working, their choice not ours, I should also mention that said partner earns over double our combined income. When the children come to our house they are full of stories about new couches, cars, tvs, kitchen aids, how the new partner pays for them to do this, that and all sorts, they also have horses and plan on buying my partners daughter a horse. Meanwhile we are counting our pennies and many weekends are unable to do much with the children due to lack of funds. My partner frets that this is going to effect how the children see life with him. It just seems highly unfair that we are having to fork out to supply them with extra money to buy such lavish items when we are literally living week to week plus they both have even amounts of custody!!
    I have kept my mouth shut and tried to rationalize it out however she is now going through the CSA to get more money. Please tell me that there is somewhere we can go for help on this matter or at least that someone agrees that this is not right. How are we supposed to get ahead and plan for the kids future when we can't even save a cent..
    This man loves his children more than anything in this life as i'm sure you all know and it kills me to see him worrying like this about things he doesn't need to.

    (I should also mention we generally have a good relationship with the mother and other than this i do not have much bad to say about her, we actually get along, so please don't feel this is me bagging on my partners ex)

    Thanks for reading if you got this far. I appreciate and understand all honest opinions.
    By: Tania from QLD, Australia on June 23, 2017 @ 11:08 am
    Hi , Interested in others opinions , my Husbands eldest daughter turned 18 in April she is still in school so he still pays child support to her mum whom has 100% custody. She lives in another state , my husband has maintained as much contact as possible , visits every month where she would spend the weekend with him/us visits for Birthdays Christmas's dance concerts, special events etc, he has tried to maintain as normal relationship as possible phone calls during the week etc., she was always hesitant to travel to visit us but she did on a few occasions. Now that she has turned 18 she has told her father (in a letter) that she no longer wants anything to do with him, she wont return his calls or texts.
    He is obviously devastated but he realises he cant force her to speak to him/see him.My question is should he still be paying child support now that she has turned 18 and has made the decision to have no contact with him?
    By: Rohan from Nsw, Aus on June 19, 2017 @ 10:23 pm
    Oh child support 🤔 I'll share with you my fabulous experience with the system long story short my ex wife and I had three girls together things didn't work out and ended up separating ten yrs ago I had child support chasing for payments while she was still living in our family home. And without going into detail two days after she moved out I had all three girls in my care and ended up having to quit my job to look after the girls and in the following months child support and centrelink didn't want to know me because the darling ex didn't answer calls. After getting the kids settled and myself back to work two yrs later csa ring me to let me know the great news that the ex has agreed to pay $20 a month haha I politely told them not to worry. Now fast forward eight yrs and two court cases later I still have full custody of all three girls but the darling ex has talked my youngest into living with her and if I didn't agree we would end up in court again and knowing how she plays the game she would get legal aid and I'd have to pay once again so I let her go hoping that her mum actually wanted to be a mum and be a role model but turns out she is pregnant with her fifth child to three dads and her fourth child lives full time with his dad and child support from her to her son is 0 and I get chased to pay her because I work hard and do lots of o/t to provide for my girls go figure but that is the system and I do understand that it's designed to chase dead beat parents but in my experience the easy targets are the ones they go after! So much for my short story haha just needed to vent and I know I'm not the only one out there going through something similar and I wish you all the best ☺ Any advice would also be helpful thanks in advance Rohan 😊
    By: Sol from WA, Oz on June 18, 2017 @ 8:15 pm
    EVERYONE faced with a demand or obligation from any person MUST first and ALWAYS seek proof of any LAWFUL agreement or contract. Can't stress this enough! Morality is different to law.
    By: Cogs from SA, Australia on June 17, 2017 @ 6:12 pm
    I am reading a lot of pain here, exactly what I went through some years ago. I would like to make an obvious suggestion which isn't always easy to achieve.
    Do what you can to get CSA out of the picture, via a private agreement witnessed and written by solicitors. Get as fair agreement as you can formulate for your situation, even if it means waiting for a while to let things cool down a bit. I agreed to what was kind of equal to CSA payments at the time, but I knew if I could get CSA out of the picture I could live long enough to raise and be there for my son.

    CSA and their formulas are evil and completely lack understanding of real world situations, they will destroy you, completely and without any care given! You should know this by now. Much like courts they are called upon at the end of the line, and should only be a last resort. Unfortunately they are also used as a milking tool, just like free legal aid for women who refuse to work, and are the first port of call once mothers know they have their business model established of given birth and set up income via the father.

    I now have shared care 50/50 of our son after the mother abducted and abused him before I could put a stop to it via court and educating myself. She has BPD, need I say more. I educated myself as much as an engineer could in family law, and with our last meeting agreed to a private agreement which mostly cuts CSA out of the picture. Don't worry they still assess me and send out assessment letters for me to pay, even though our son spends 4-5 days a week with me and I am now bankrupt and earn well under what she does, (around the tax free threshold).

    I could go on, but I must say also, don't be scared of bankruptcy, best thing that ever happened to me. There are higher values in life than finances. MGTOW is one.
    By: Jackson from Qld, Australia on June 14, 2017 @ 11:44 am
    So I found out I have a 4 year old through a legal DNA test. I never even dated the women I earn 3000 before tax per fourtnight how much will I have to pay this child a fortnight in support? And I dont see the child do you recommended I do.and will I have to back pay from when child was born
    By: gary from Qld, australia on June 14, 2017 @ 10:24 am
    can someone tell me what notice of assessment phase 3 means please
    1730. By: Paul from SA, Australia on June 14, 2017 @ 4:17 am
    Hi, Guys and some Girls.
    I'm looking for help, I have always paid my child support for the last 13 years and there has never been any complaints from the ex until now. CSA put it up by $70 per week this year which I think is disgusting and she agreed to a $40 increase, I have been paying it straight to her since I started, here's the catch, I didn't agree to change weekends for her as I have done in the past and she got the shits on and went to CSA saying I'm not paying her correctly now they collect for her the full amount and I had to back pay for 3 months(btw that is all they can go back for) She has worked casually for 12 or so years and still does to this day but now my son is in high school he catches the bus home every day and she still leaves work at 2pm to go the gym. I was talked out of doing a change of assessment form using section 8a on the bases that she doesn't meet the criteria for not earning to her full capcity because her wage has increase by $400-500 per year which is bullshit, its just cpi really. I was threatened that they would go through all my income but I have nothing to hide , the taxation departments knows it all. I work 60hrs plus a week to support my family, new wife of 10 years 2 other kids to her including my son and now will have to work more to cover the increase and we all know then I'll earn more and next year she will get more!! its a shitty mostly mother supportive life style supportive bullshit of a system, I'm happy to pay but I'm not here to cover all his costs while he is with my ex.
    Where to now?
    Cheers
    Paul
    By: Sonny from Queensland, Australia on June 13, 2017 @ 10:36 pm
    Child support decisions and guidelines fall under the Child Support Act. If you think your assessments has not been followed by this Act, then you can lodge a complaint. Become familar with this Act so you can make an informed decision. I dont reccommend you try and get out of paying child support but I fo texcommend becoming informed on what you should pay above CSA https://familycourtaustralia.com/avoid-child-support-legally
    By: Scotty from Western Australia, Australia on June 13, 2017 @ 9:24 pm
    Questions and thoughts guys or experts-
    I have 3 children who live in Austalia and I live in Thailand with my new partner, I left Australia as the CSA put a DPO on me due to arrears of 20K. I had to pay this for it to be lifted and have since left Australia. As we all know the CSA is a joke and does not listen. I have not worked for 2 years and not lived abroad for this whole duration, now my arrears is 65K

    Here is the part I need advice on. I have a chance of a job abroad but the employer needs me to live in Australia. I would love to do this as I will have a salary again. Does anyone know or think if I approached the CSA and told them I have a chance of a job abroad but I have to live in Australia and I would be willing to pay 1K each month more than my already in place 1K payment they would accept this? and write a letter guaranteeing no DPO will be put on me. As other than this they will never be paid.
    By: John from Uk, UK on June 2, 2017 @ 7:30 am
    Any recommendations for a good australian lawyer experienced in minimising / defending Australian csa / REMO arrears claims against UK father? Thanks
    By: Katie from WA, Australia on May 31, 2017 @ 11:43 am
    Gosh its hard...

    My ex and I pay his ex $450 per WEEK for their 2 children that's fine I believe you have them you pay but how the hell do they come up with these figures... that is a bloody mortgage repayment.

    She doesn't let us have them over in Perth (she lived in Melbourne where his family was and we would fly between states at our expense) she moved to Nsw making it impossible for us to see them. We've just spent over 15k with lawyers just to sell their old house. She wont allow them to come to our wedding in September.

    She didn't go by court orders from the house so going back to court will be lost money she wont put them on a plane and we sure as shit don't have thousands of dollars to go back to court again anyway.

    How is this system even legal. How can she not work and get paid like she is. We struggle some months with money and I have had to go back to work already after having my baby (10mth old to my partner and 10y old from previous) just so we can still live....

    When will things change and assessments be based on a better percentage that reflects today's cost of living for the paying parent firest :(
    By: Shawn Purcell from Australian Capital Territory, Australia on May 27, 2017 @ 6:47 pm
    She thinks Im a source of income for her, child support is over the top, it should be calculated from net income not gross, as we already pay tax which assists in gov benifits to family tax payments and more !!!!!
    By: Dave C from Hampshire, United Kingdom on May 22, 2017 @ 11:00 pm
    Hi everyone. I am nearing the end of the pain around the loss of my kids and the associated fun with the CSA (no loss re the ex though! A great result! :-) ). I live in the UK and had my two kids abducted by my ex 7 years ago and taken back to Oz without my consent - known as abduction! Bankrupted as well due to her actions - you name it - a toxic person to keep clear of!! The kids are both ok (now 23 and 22) and fortunately do not seem to have been too poisoned against me and I see them every 12-18 months. I have tried to keep them separate from all of the crap with my ex that you all know only too well.

    Anyway, we all have our stories... does anyone know please if the actual interest money payable for late Child Support payments ends up finally in your ex's bank account or is it just a penalty / interest payment that goes to the pockets of the Australian government? If its the latter I'll go and have a celebratory drink! So please let me know? Again - hang in there! And remember YOU, your kids and their relationship with you are the most important thing. Good luck :-) Dave
    By: Wife of a Father in crisis from New South Wales, Australia on May 22, 2017 @ 6:59 pm
    Hi all,

    Just wanted a quick vent on how terrible child support is. My hubby has two kids to an ex. All seemed to be going well for the first few years, we had 50/50 care but still sent her $200 a fortnight to help care for them.

    Then she went away for 6 months and we had 100% care of the kids. She contact child support right before she left and gave them the wrong address and phone number for my hubby so were had no idea she had even spoken to child support until 3 days before they were going to start deducting for my hubby salary!!!

    We have had 100% care of them for 6 months, but as we didn't contact child support, only she did we OWE HER $3,500!!! We disputed, but the people on the phone couldn't even comprehend that we had had full care of the children, they kept thinking our dispute was that we already paid.

    She get her friends to write stat-decs saying she had full care of the children! She wasn't even in the same State as them! We lodged so much evidence we had them, receipts, photos, stat-decs' from their grandparents, flights when we took them on holidays and finally CSA said they would look into it, but we keep getting bills!

    Its so unfair, we paid for all their expenses and had them 100% of the time for 6 months and they say we need to pay her! We are broke from looking after the kids without her support, but where trying to keep it civil for their sake.

    CSA is so difficult to deal with and this is so unfair. They keep telling us to pay it, but she hardly ever sees her kids. We pay twice and the kids miss out :( We dont mind paying child support to look after them, but it is ridiculous when she doesnt even have care of them.
    By: Roy Martin from Vic, Australia on May 16, 2017 @ 8:49 pm
    Just finished an AAT hearing appealing a CSA decision. They are no better that CSA. I supplied ample documents on how my X cheats the system to no avail. The AAT asked for liability information 3x from my X and it was never supplied. The AAT decided to take the info verbally. What a joke!! My X works for cash and is on a disability pension. She told the AAT that an 8 week holiday to Malta last year cost $0 and they just said ok. Her bank statements show $1000 deposits and when asked what these were for the X said she loans money to friends, being on a disability pension, the AAT said ok!!My wage is being garnished $2200 a month for 1 child and I have no funds to appeal to the courts. The AAT do not have to explain their decision as they are their own law just like CSA. Unless you are cashed up, don't bother with the AAT
    By: Ben from vic, australia on May 16, 2017 @ 12:06 pm
    To Storm and all, it's easy to confuse a moral obligation with a lawful obligation. The CSA and other govt/corporate agencies hope you don't know the difference. Remember ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. Request CSA provide you a copy of the original agreement/contract. Look into the elements of what constitutes a contract or legally binding agreement and see whether that is what you actually formed with the CSA.
    1720. By: Storm Smith from Western Australia, Australia on May 16, 2017 @ 11:49 am
    Hi, I will give the short version of events as it is rather long winded. I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction.
    My partner has two children to his ex. We have had non-stop issues from child support as last financial year. He was earning a very good salary working on the mines (he was still married then.)He has contacted child support numerous times to get the earnings changed. No such luck. He ended up with a debt which we had nearly paid off. In December he lost his job and went onto NewStart. He is now working again. He Contacted child Support to provided them with his new yearly earnings. Unfortunately the representative did not listen to a word he said and put in that in the last six months he has earned $129000. He is only earning $70000 Gross a year. Child support contacted his ex and said that he has been lying to her and that he is earning this huge amount of money and they are going to get it back ASAP. His Ex contacted him and asked if this was true? Obviously no. Anyway back to child support he went to get it changed. Yesterday we were contacted and because of this mistake he now owes over $6500 in debt. Because they can not back date it we have to pay this obscene money. We don't have that sort of money and I do not understand why we have to pay for someones mistake. Has this happened to anyone else and does anyone know how to get it changed? Is there a way or is it that once they put their figures in that is that?
    By: Doc from ACT, Australia on May 15, 2017 @ 4:03 pm
    Hello to all
    I have been unemployed for the last 2 years and have paid monthly support payments through CSA out of my termination payment and savings every month. I did not inform CSA that I was still unemployed after july 2016 (apparently every 12 months I am meant to do that) so decided to bill me based on my termination pay from 2015, which put me in debt by about 12k. I just completed my 2015/16 tax which was my termination payout, and they have billed me another 12k from my termination package. So they have essentially double dipped. For the only income I received in 2015/16 was a one of termination payment. So I have been incorrectly assessed as I have not been working, I did tell then in 2015 I was Terminated and would be receiving a Termination payment. Just asking is the legit and is there anything I can do. They say too bad too sad.
    Thanks
    Doc
    By: Allie from Tasmania, Australia on May 13, 2017 @ 11:35 pm
    Question my friend who is a male has recently got the final decision of a judge to he's de facto relationship, now he has been separated for 6 years, the ruling was he is to pay 190.00 per month csa , however the property he's son and former partner live in he is the only one on the deeds to property now he hasn't lived in this property because things got too ugly,he contacted csa to advised he had paid the mortgage that he's ex and son reside in and they said payment denied because both parties didn't agree to this. I find it sad that the mother lives rent-free and pays nothing to do with that property but still insists on being paid the $190.00 per month on top, whilst she rents her property out and my friend even though he is down as living at the said property, he doesn't really have a home and is close to losing the property. Has anyone else been in a similar position? How is this fair? He is happy to pay csa for his son but he is also putting a roof over two other children's heads that aren't he's. Sorry for typo's.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on May 11, 2017 @ 3:19 pm
    Hi to all paying parents.
    Most of you have probably heard the gov will spend 391 something million dollars ,just like that ,on the federal police to help fight terrorism. Ain't we lucky they care about us peasants so much .we should be honered they care about their citizens so much.
    But how many people die each week of terrorism as oposed to suicide (28 per week). So what is being done about those terrorists in the csa and family law
    court's? Who by their design and greed enforce laws that make people feel so hopeless that they take their own lives?. Surely someone in the intelligence community can see this? Or media or universitys? 28 human beings each week and what? How much money will they spend repair/salvaging families instead of destroying them through csa/family flaw barbaric system. Next time someone calls someone a dictator or regime country think twice how you judge ,cause you dont have to look too far to see a regime in action.
    revolution dreaming.
    By: Ben from vic, australia on May 9, 2017 @ 6:48 am
    Hi Steve, it's a great Q but gee it's a loaded topic..lol. I will add just a few thoughts if I may.

    If it could be proven beyond all reasonable doubt your son was not biologically yours, the State could be liable for not keeping proper records, such as DNA, but then again do we want the State to hold such information? Although, I think it may now.

    If you were married, or at common law, with the mother at the time of conception, did the mother have a duty to disclose she had sex with another in the 9 months leading upto the birth, hence would she be liable? What would her defences be?

    Then there's the question of who benefited from the $90k? Did the mother, child, State or others? Would proportionate liability come into play?

    Also, did you as a father have a duty, as soon as possible after the birth, to conduct a DNA test to ensure the child was yours?

    Failing a rebuttal of the presumption that the child is naturally yours, it's understood the child must be accepted to be yours, whether it be biologically so, or the fact you have declared ownership of this property we call our children. As no others rebutted this property belonging to you, it stands as fact it must be yours.

    Hence, you have joint liability with mum for maintenance of joint property, both being known known as guardians, custodians, parents or parens patriae. I am sure both you and mum can prove you both contributed to your son's welfare and needs.

    Then there's the cost of any legal action, usually up front with no guarantee of success or certain quantum. Even if there was a win against mum, could any judgment be truly enforced against her to seize assets or funds? Again, what would her defences be?

    Then, there's the negative effect on your son of any such action, and on the r'ships he has with Dad, Mum and others. Also, there is the negative effect on you, the mother, others and resources.

    It can feel like a wrong has been done to you, as so many dads in the same boat will attest to, but I wonder would a bigger wrong be created by any such action without first considering the potential harm to all concerned.

    Further, introducing doubt of paternity into your son's life is another huge issue to consider. WOW! I'm sure there's more...
    By: Steve from SA, Australia on May 8, 2017 @ 9:17 pm
    I have paid out over 90 grand in 16 years to son that i thought was mine.
    Had a Dna test done here a few months ago 99% sure im not the farther.
    Dose anyone know if im entitled to get that money back ?
    By: tim from Vic, Australia on May 7, 2017 @ 12:08 pm
    I received a letter last week from csa as my ex has gone to them saying she has no money in the bank and cant afford education expenses ($1300) a year even though last year in the settlement she got the bulk of proceeds from sale of the family home in cash a third of my super and a block of land worth over $100k and she has only claimed to have the block as an asset but at a value less than it's worth Also she has claimed she is not working now as she has chosen to go to university and be a student where as myself I continue to work I pay child support through csa which was her choice and after I get paid then pay csa and my bills I'm skint til I get paid again. I am filling out the forms to send back to csa but feel I will get screwed over by the system again even though she is clearly lying to them can anyone suggest anything at all
    By: Kris from nsw, zog on May 1, 2017 @ 12:44 pm
    Hi to all paying parents.
    CSA helping to destroy families.
    To all those thinking how good it is receiving money from the paying parent, think again. While you might be enjoying it now, life is such that you will pay later. While you spend the money as if it is yours and alienate the kids from their fathers. One day it will end and by then you will probably be old, you where doing OK and nneglected yourself by spending it as it came to you. Now old with no education or credible work history you start to worry and panic. Used to getting it regularly now no more. You took the bait now you must pay. CSA helps no one, we fathers may suffer now but you will too later. Open your eyes.
    By: Sam from QLD, Australia on April 30, 2017 @ 10:12 pm
    I am a Mother who stupidly instigated a verbal agreement that we just go 50-50 for our kids post separation - in care and financial responsibility. 3 years later, I'm trying to do as much overtime as I can to keep a home and give my kids as many experiences as I can while they are young...meanwhile, I'm now paying $594 per fortnightly pay (garnished), as the father has decided that work is too hard, and I can be the cash cow without any accountability for that much being spent on the children. So guess what? It's not just men!!! The system is very broken. I've offered to pay for everything for my children, rejected as the Child Support formula is so much more lucrative. As it stands, I will more than likely be defaulting on my home loan. Crazy system...
    By: Hhoney from Wa, Australia on April 30, 2017 @ 7:43 pm
    To Danny
    There is an ombudsman for child support . If you have a letter saying you owed nothing contact them and explain your situation. It can all be done on line.
    1710. By: don from NSW, Australia on April 30, 2017 @ 2:24 pm
    To Hhoney in WA
    You can have the other child added for consideration which will reduce your payments
    By: Hhoney from Wa, Australia on April 30, 2017 @ 11:46 am
    Has anyone come up against the ex dictating child goes to uni after 18 and having them apply for adult support.? Has anyone been through this can u appeal do you know how it works? I have nothing other than a decent car pay $1600 a month in csa payments due to them using their own estimate and I have another child to support . Is there a way I can have this provisional income changed and back dated? As I only earn half of wat they are presuming and in the last 2 yrs have also been unemployed for 7 months. Thankfully it was broken up 3 months one period 4 the next am now working but still playing catch up on bills. Any advice would be appreciated.
    By: don from nsw, australia on April 29, 2017 @ 10:50 am
    to BB look at march 8 entry below for contact. don
    By: Dave from Vic, Aust on April 25, 2017 @ 6:56 pm
    No one should ever enter agreement with these agencies, however if you are in one, ask for verification of any claim or purported debt by way of a sworn affidavit. Doubt you will ever see one.
    By: Danno from qld, Australia on April 23, 2017 @ 8:43 pm
    Does anyone have an address for the CSA offices? I want to visit these thieves in person. They owe me money, claim I owe them, threaten me, take two months to reply to my letters and now go and contact my employer AFTER SENDING a letter that they wouldn't. Have enough of this crap, letter are words without any weight when the people who write and read them hide in a building. Would be grateful for an address so I can discuss my matter in person.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on April 18, 2017 @ 11:27 am
    Hi to all paying parents. csa/family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroing families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Please read todays daily telegraph.
    In the article - 28 suicides each week from family flaw/csa related hate.
    Where is the National Enquiry? Or are we still in the domestic violence phase?
    On anzac day lets march for the forgotten dads, hated lost soles of this evil barbaric system.
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: bb from wa, australia on April 16, 2017 @ 12:41 pm
    ive applied to the aat for a review of an objection, i see oscar and don have an insight to this. would like to have a chat if at all possible with anyone who could shed some light on the aat.
    By: Richard Knight from Wa, Australia on April 13, 2017 @ 7:08 pm
    Finally someone has done it...a starting point of shared custody. Each parent has the right to be part of their kids lives and the other parent should not have the ability to stop that! http://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article144229529.html
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