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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
My advice as a result is this:
* CSA will always believe the Payee over the Payer.
* CSA workers are not all qualified to answer questions, nor do they understand their own rules/regs. Learn them!
* You will probably never speak to the same CSA worker twice, so save all your questions/comments for the Objections Officer.
* Avoid verbal communications if you can - put it all in writing/email it.
* The CSA will withhold information from you - you will discover just how much when you receive the formal decision.
* Be specific about what you believe is happening! Provide lots of information/evidence to back up what you say.
* Persevere - they will try to wear you down.
* Finally, and most important - write everything down - keep a record - you will need it.
Bingo! There is a profit to being a custodial parent!
I have a 16 and 15yr old who have no contact with dad since he just stopped coming.. 1st stage of roller coaster I can't answer their questions of why.. That hurts as a parent.. then 1nd I apply for Centrelink ever at 39yrs old- CSA need assessment of child support done.. OK good luck getting blood from a stone
3rd... Knowing I will never see a cent I lost 200 per fortnight from payment because I'm meant to get that from Him... the kick in the guts again not our fault a single mum 2 grown kids living on my payment of 211 per fortnight he is now thousands in arreas.. Yet both sole parent carers feel it every day and we still loose either way. Needs to change simple
Your kids will be alienated against you
The female will play games and manipulate everyone to make you the bad guy
The only option is to walk away or end your life....
Ex applied for over 18 CS extension for education until October 30. My son is only a General Studies student who does not do exams. His last school day of classes is Sept 27. His Graduation day is Oct 24.
Can I object to this for this reason?
It will save me a grand if successful.
I was on hold with a call to CSA for 69 minutes to ask this question. When she picked up she said she couldn't hear me and hung up. Haha.
Dont have high expectations at the AAT. I tripped my ex up with evidence, AND law for a change of assessment when she left full time employment. She had no evidence. I still lost. Apparently it was the taxpayer that needed to be considered now. It doubled my CS.
It’s dictator system nothing you can do about it
Unless u change the hole government by having force stronger
From what the have.
That means no hope for men / die or pay
And I wish I find way to die with out pain because life is shit what’s point working if you end up see you hard work go some where called you child
But you rely don’t know if that is the case or the money get spend on mum boob job or nail or hair and the kids will only have the crump
God bless men and there children’s
Would like to clarify why some fathers are reluctant to pay child support.
The amount to be paid is too much, especially if you have lost your house and money to ex and lawers.
The amount to be paid is calculated yearly from your gross income and taken out of you net income.
Second jobs are added to you first job so you have to pay more.
Child support is seen as income by the banks, and as debt of the payer.
The child support payee is not pressured to do yeary tax returns.
The payer does not control how the cs is spent, ( can easily be set up through credit card method, where the payer gets the statement).this also would give proof how money is spent.
Minimum self support in the cs formula should be 30k, most people pay that in rent, what about the rest of living exp?.
2n job and overtime not to be included in cs assessment.
Custody court orders not to be overruled by csa.
No increase of cs unless payee does tax return each year.
Cs to be worked out using real world figures and circumstances of both parents, either through mediation or non stressful/anxiety type arrangements.
Just to give an example my ex always does her tax return when she is out of work , that way she is not forced to back pay any money from over payment. Unless i take her to court and spend 10k to get back 1k.
The system isn't broken it was designed that way . It helps no one and only adds $fuel$ to the fire. Open your eyes.
Anyway it should be very interesting as the receiving parent tripped herself up at the hearing on several occasions. She had no documents or evidence to support all her false misleading claims. She even went as far to falsify a rental agreement document with interesting information on it which was acknowledged!
At the end of the hearing she suddenly decided to inform the parties she was bankrupt. First time hearing this so I have tried to find information on it and all I can find in the child support act is what happens to the person paying the child support. Reiterating that the ACT is so one sided!
Maybe this needs to be addressed. What happens to child support payments if the receiving parent is bankrupt? I know they have to inform the trustees of any other income. But can’t seem to find anything else.
But hey this individual is something else so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was just another story!
Keep up the fight people.
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This equation I personally don't agree with since if it's 50/50 I still have to pay and if you earn $5m then you pay a massive amount while if your ex earned 50k and her new husband earned 100k then you still pay some massive amount when they probably don't need it. Using my own situation my ex earns less than me and because of this equation she owns a house worth twice as much as my house and multiple cars and I pay more in child support than my own mortgage and I drive around in a $2k car.
There must be a way if we all get together to sort out this rubbish
I'm actually quitting my job this week as it's not worth working and I have nothing left at the end of the week
I struggle all the time but the CSA don't care
Live homelessness is what they all want us to be
Well CSA you have succeeded with me
You should stop and care a bit about the fathers as well
We are humans too
The CSA are an intermediary (Government debt collection agency), as far as I know the full payments go directly to the payee. Whether the payee uses these payments for their intended use, for the child/children, as opposed to wasting the money, is another matter entirely.
Can anyone answer this , I pay $210 weekly to csa maggots for a kid . Does she get this exact amount or does the csa skim a bit of this? .
My son’s mother fell pregnant within 2-months of us meeting, and we separated 5-months after this. Everything happened so quickly, and if I am honest, I was never really in love with her. I took responsibility for my own actions and committed to co-parenting our son. Due to my FIFO work 50/50 parenting was never an option for me, however, I reasonably (and naively) expected substantial time with my son during my time off. I never even came close to this during the three-years I remained in my son’s life. My parenting access to my son was always extremely limited and controlled, not to mention the continual unpunished contraventions of Minute of Consent parenting orders by her.
To cut a long story short, I was falsely accused of abusing my then 30-month old son. My son was always happy in my company and I would never have hurt a hair on his head. Even so, I always suspected my son’s mother was capable of plumbing the depths of vindictiveness. I was never interviewed by the Police and only over the phone by the DCP. Eventually the allegations were found to be unsubstantiated, but the Family Court registrar ordered supervised visits at my expense. So that his mother could concentrate on parenting our son, rather than continually plotting for revenge, I walked away. Basically, since July 2010 I have been paying vast amounts of child support for a son I have “no” contact with. My son will turn 12-years old in July and I have no idea what he even looks like. Out of total frustration and sheer exhaustion, in April 2015 I left Australia and returned to the country of my birth. Since then I have been locked in a battle with the CSA, and mental ill health. The latter has prevented me from working, and being a productive member of society. That said, I did manage to write and publish a book about my Parental Alienation experience.
To add insult to injury, during the short time we were together, I paid-off my son’s mother’s mortgage to the tune of $69.5k. She was very smart though, because she didn’t register me with the CSA for 12-months, thus ensuring none of the $69.5k could be offset against my child support payments.
It is also worth noting, my son’s mother has pulled a similar stunt with her daughter’s father.
Although my payments have been re-assessed at the minimal annual amounts for the previous four financial years, I am now locked into a dispute with the CSA and AAT to have the arrears for these four-years zeroed.
I have always said, Australian Government departments would spend $100k to recoup $10k.
Best of luck everyone!
Just as you thought things couldn't get any worse. And what about the two guys you ask? They're fkn pissed ,dont care about anything and hate everything, don't know who will survive. Just another perfect example of the gov maggots destroying the fabric of society through their social engineering , then they tell you how much they fight domestic violence.I wont even mention the new stolen generation of kids out there. Fight the system not each other.
My psychologist currently is concerned that this pushing from CSA will have a serious and detrimental effect on my mental state and possibly send me back to were I was in December 2017, he wants to issue a letter to them advising this but what good will it do?? They just wont listen and wont stop their adherence to CSA policy and the fact that my estranged 17yr old son deserves his last year of payments from his father, even though he's not earning money to even afford his family regular things like clothes and food? What about them?? Are they not considered in need just because their father lives with them? Why are they not worthy of the same things that another kid gets because it is in "CSA policy". I need some help as I to fear for my mental state and the subsequent effect on my wife and family, after all they have had to endure enough and I do not want them going through anymore. I need help with what I see as constant harassing by CSA with no consideration for myself or my family.
If you think the DHS cares, think again. They don't care for their own staff let alone us mere mortals.
I pay too much as it is hence the need for a second job. I just can't seem to get ahead. 7 years since divorce now paying an insane amount of child support, I cannot get out of debt, I have nothing and still have 3 years to go of this.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
I would gladly fight for our rights as male humans but I’m afraid the system has broken me and I don’t have the strength to do much more than write a simple comment.
I am left broke and broken hearted.
Good luck to all those that are being enslaved to the same system, I hope you find a way through.
Much too much to say here.
CSA sucks if you have make.plumbing
Anyway, I fought CSAHOLES and won .I self represented through the SSAT court process, the highest way to object to their decisions. I suggest you do the same brother.
I then searched for agencies that help in this matter, I came across Child Support Help Australia, Talked to Laurie Fittock, he assured me that I have a case, that they have plenty of experience and knowledge in these matters, I was receiving a call almost every second day until I paid them half of the money, Everything stopped as soon as I paid, every time I called he simply bagged CSA and said how bad and unfair they are, asked for more documents and did nothing,
I finally found out by CSA that the act prevents parties to have a representative on reassessments, so the money was gone, Laurie from CSHA didn’t help and refused to refund.
They just take your money and run,
They have a facebook page that is run by a marketing company, they charge Laurie a fee for every lead they get, Laurie Fittock from Child Support Help Australia on the other hand gets paid and does nothing, Beware and don’t waste your money. I paid them $1,000 and after a month got a very poor draft that was copied from my objections.
Is there anyone with personal business benefit experience that can help.
Family court judges / CSA- are natze and dictators
No one can change the system
I pay CS+spousal maintenance because my x studying so she can maintain her
Life style $3055 a month
So I’m working 7 days just so she can have good life style LOL
nothing make since
So I do t bileve in free Australia we will have hitler
In every aspect of our life
God help up
I think the only way fwd is for the ex to only ever receive 50/50 care payments unless Ex can prove the other partner will not take care of the kids. Too many ex's keep the kids out of spite and financial gain.
The system is broken. Government love it, no cost to them, fk the kids and dad.