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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Jimmy from Queensland, Australia on January 22, 2017 @ 12:07 pm
    Advice and thoughts please:

    Well where do I start. I have just that the CSA do an assessment on me again after my last assessment ran its course, before it was set at $3200 per month. Although I was not working....... Yes, they believed I was some millionaire. So with it being set so high I left Australia and moved abroad so I could at least live as $3200 per month I never earned, never mind support my other child and new partner.
    Anyway my last tax return was put in with a figure of 22K in place and agreed and accepted by the ATO but yet again the CSA have changed my taxable income to 81K this is due to a form 8 my ex partner put in. I have responded, as you have too, stating not working etc. I am stuck abroad and I cannot see my kids as I know when I come back I will have a DPO put on me.

    When I called the CSA they came up with the 81K due to my answers I gave in a AAT hearing in March which was to try and reduce the $3500 per month, as we men know a total waste of time, not the response to the form 8 I filled in last month. Absolute S.... but hey that is the CSA. At that time I stated I was getting loans from friends and family to survive which they put down as income. Absolute S... again.

    I was hoping they would use my taxable income of 22K so I could try catch up on my debt. Does this seem right? What is the best response as I have 28 days to answer. Please advice need to try and see my kids.

    By: Shell from Vic, Austrailia on January 19, 2017 @ 7:28 pm
    Lenny and Robbed
    Have an account in your wife's name only. They are legally not allowed to touch it. Or put any extra money into your mortgage.
    Get used to it because these arseholes told my husband that his first 2 children come first. Our 2 that we have togeather have missed out on heaps as we have struggled for the past 15 years. It not only takes a toll on you blokes but it surely takes a toll on the 2 nd family. We have been to hell and back with his ex bitch and we even had a restraining order on her. Start writing to Pauline Hanson and Derry hitch. This crap has to stop
    By: Lenny from N.T., Australia on January 19, 2017 @ 12:31 pm
    Thanks for your post RoBbED From Vic, well i did tell them on that phone call that i was not going to be a resident for tax purposes as i was going for a few years but all they did was pretend i did not make the call and kept charging me the same as i was paying before the whole time i was away plus penalties so as you can imagine it was a substantial amount and it has crushed me financially amongst a host of other pressures and disadvantages and to top it off when i lost my shit at the csa rep on the phone guess what i got "AUDITED" and they are still doing it from last years tax return that i worked hard keeping every recipt and a logbook for my work related car expenses and they denied me the log book and a heap of genuine deductions im telling you these cunts are ruthless and dont care about other Men at all my filipino wife is amazed at what is happeniing to me / us and it breaks my heart to see her suffer as we cant afford anything .... if it was not for her id have already checked out as in STOP THE WORLD I WANNA GET OFF"!
    It leaves me constantly dealing / coping with a whole range of
    issues mentally emotionally phisically im an introvert now when before i was a happy easy going guy who could make a friend anywhere to now... not talking to anyone has nothing nice to say full of negetivity cant hold a job short tempered and frustrated to the max and just generally fucking pissed right the fuck off"!
    So how do i fix it? play their game and be broke and pay what i dont owe because thats what its all about money money money no fucking mention of the most important issue here is there?" the well being of the poor kids who are now of the belief i dont wanna see them and their hearts are torn as i struggle in the background barely surviving they are getting the wrong messages and theres fuck all i can do"! its fucking killing me man"1 im broken into so many pieces i dont know if even when they are old enough to see me weather or not i will be able to function mentally enough to cope with explaining the whole saga to them so they will understand is it worth it?
    FUCK THIS SYSTEM YOU FUCKWITS WHO VOTED THESE WOMEN INTO PARLAMENT LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US"!
    And also where is the senator for mens affairs? SURPRISE" there isnt one"! but that would be discriminatory to have one wouldnt it ...!!!!! Fuck me the fucking white trash bitches have one ..."SENATOR MICHAELA FUCKING "CASH"!!! CASH"! CASH"! How fucking ironic and i have to swallow this shit these cunts come up with OMFKING GOD PLEASE"!!!
    Im so over this cunt of a system what can we do? its too big a problem for one person to deal with... we need a senator for mens affairs and we need it "YESTERDAY AS A MATTER OF URGENCY"!! IF EVERYONE WROTE OR PERSONALLY WENT IN TO THEIR MALE LOCAL MEMBER AND DEMANDED IT MAYBE JUST MAYBE THEY WILL START LISTENING I DONT KNOW"! BUT WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
    OR ELASE WE ARE ALL FUCKED"!
    By: RoBbEd from VIC, AUST on January 18, 2017 @ 3:25 pm
    Lenny, that's a fckin nightmare. One would think that if you submit tax returns then the figures are based on that.. Zero income = zero payments. Is it revenge because you dared to voice your opinion??? And some sht wrote it on your file? Don't talk to them on the phone, keep it all in writing. The staff enjoy poking and its too easy to explode into rage and say sht that doesn't need to be said. Write to them asking for justification to the amount owing based on what? Where did they determine that you had income in Australia?... I have a different battle with them and was personally told by them the only way to correct it is to take them to court. WHAT? Why should i waste my time and money correcting Govt mistakes? Its all a scam to keep the legal people in business and males (and some females) broke and poor. And don't forget the money market, they invest the money on the short term... oh and the tax, who pays the tax on free income to the ex? There is a lot more than meets the eye.
    By: Wife from QLD, Aus on January 18, 2017 @ 2:21 pm
    Can anyone offer any advice?

    A couple of years back my husband continued paying his ex wife for 100% care of his twins. 17 at the time but both earning over $320 per week. Child support informed us nothing could be done, but later called to have him stop paying for them 1 month before they turned 18. In all that time they were earning ALOT of money and he continued to pay but she was never required to pay it back? Do we stand a chance in claiming this back through small claims court? It's a total of $7000.

    I've also just seen that in the 3 years after separating you can save 30% on child support payments. Child support really does a great job of hiding this don't they! I've just worked out where my husband was paying $500 a week he could have been paying $200!!!! A $300 a week saving!!! Child support has NEVER given him these details. This is a total of $35k that he has overpaid this money hungry cow. Surely that's a form of theft and negligence on behalf of child support? This woman is living a life of luxury and we are struggling!! Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    TIA
    1600. By: Lenny from N.T., Australia on January 17, 2017 @ 10:25 am
    I rang the CSA in nov 12 2012 to check how my child support stood and was told i was up to date, i the informed them i was going overseas for a couple of years to do peace work and re-build my [new filipino wife]wifes families home after a typhoon had flattend it , i was asked the following:
    how do you suppose you will support yourself for that time?
    what will be your income?
    who will you be working for?

    To which i replied : i will live of our [my filipino wives and my savings]
    Secondly i replied : i will not have an income, which was 100% truth.
    Thirdly: i am not working for anyone except volenteering to help those people in my wives family whose homes blew away and local people in and around their village.

    The CSA Man hater exclaimed " well we will get your wife to pay and garnashi her account then"!!!

    This is the time when i lost my shit"! after various exchanges of obcenities between myself and this piece of white trash rubbish i was verbally arguing with, to which i was surprised she went on for so long at it against me, i told her i was totally dissatisfied with her reasoning and her threats were against the law and i wanted to be put through to complaints immediately..."!
    I was put through to complaints and straight away i told the other white piece of manhating trash to listen to the recorded phonecall before i spoke another word..... i waited for 10 minutes and white trash No# 2 apoligised for keeping me waiting and said Sir i apoligise to you profusely this reprasentative had no right to say the things she said please accept our apologies..."!!!?
    I told her no wonder men commit suicide and shoot their exe's or the bloke who back doored him that is now living in his house playing daddy to his kids is'nt it HUH"!!!
    Because of people and governement departments that have absolutely no fucking idea of what they are doing to for the mostly honest men who are bieng discriminated, ostricised & persicuted only for the lack of fair and just policies that you are trying to enforce"! you should be ashamed of yourself playing god in your position i told her and if you were really sorry you and your entire group of work collegues should quit your jobs immediately and walk out in support of us men "!!!
    This hard line statment made by myself was met by a minute of silence by the complaints officer... and i said i rest my case and hung up and next week jumped on a plane and went to the philippines and did as i said i was going to do... i was out of the contry for 900 days in total or close enough to it, when i arrived in australia immmegration called my wife and myself over to another counter where they took their time but essentialy notified csa i was back in the country, i was broke skinny tired and worn out, i got a job earning great money when i put my tax return in they pounced on me saying i owed for the last 900 days the amount i was paying per month before i left"... these fucking cunts.... i am at war , i havent seen my kids as the mother thinks "i owe it" "REALLY" SERIOUSLY"! This whole place is fucked i cant describe how i feel but i know it isnt good, non productive to say the least... what of my new wife does she continuously have to watch me go through this bullshit and get fed up and find a happier life ... you pack of "DOGS"! Hide behing your iorn curtain while you can " justice and fairness and the big one CARMA Will prevail.. i spit on you you peices of shit
    By: Chris Meyers from NSW, Austraia on January 16, 2017 @ 7:49 pm
    Big shout out to all the decent Dads out there who just want a fair go.
    I suggest we start a petition on change.com then spread the word.

    Maybe the petition could be to Malcolm Turnbull to enact an urgent review of the powers of the Child Support Agency.
    Secondly - to review the structure around payments to take into account family income not just individual income (especially relevant where a mother marries into money and still milks child suport.
    Thirdly - for all receiving parents to provide a budget for how the child support will be spent
    Fourth - to review the linkages between child suport payments and access to children.

    Happy to be of service but I think this should be done by the forum leaders.

    Thanks all

    Chris
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on January 15, 2017 @ 3:32 pm
    Hi community,

    I am really curious to see if anybody can advise me about this travel ban bullshit that they can do.

    In my last call with my "case officer", she advised me that a travel ban "can be put into place if I fail to pay". Now, I've got a "debt" of ~$4,000, but much of this is "remittance and penalties" WTF? I've been paying at $500 per month since she told me this.

    Conversely, I (stupidly) signed a stat dec saying that my ex can take the girls overseas any time she likes.

    I'm leaving for five days on Wednesday, I've already done an electronic check in with my passport number etc. Does anybody here think I will be stopped at the airport and not allowed to leave?

    Forgive my language, but if I don't get this fucking break, I will lose my fucking mind. I work in a high stress job. I was able to leave last year for five days.

    If these CSA pricks block me from my travel (all paid for) I swear I will quit my job and live off of the welfare state!

    Does anybody have any experiences in this area?

    Thanks

    AJ.
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 14, 2017 @ 8:41 pm
    Mark
    Sorry to hear about what they have done to you.

    If you have a debt they can garnishee your wages, bank accounts....any asset in your name under what is call a 72a application.....no court order just take. Government sanctioned theft.
    The person or Company that the application is served on has great financial penalties if they don't comply.

    That is why .....if you have any debt....don't have assets or accounts in your name, joint account, partnership or sole trader....with your name on it. Only some trusted significant other, son mother father etc. If you are able.... a Company or Trust you are not the beneficiary of...or... cash under the bed. Yes you can file court actions to get it back....but that means money to solicitors and no guarantees that you WILL get it back. Money you don't have with no guarantees of winning.
    Its a shit system
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on January 14, 2017 @ 4:43 pm
    Yes the bank told me , that it was the csa who took my height and a half thousand dollars , I haven't received a letter from them nor from the bank or from a third party , man they have just ruined my life they knock me down hard , yet still I can't collect my self I feel like am still in chock
    By: Robbed from VIC, AUST on January 14, 2017 @ 12:10 pm
    Mark, Did the bank tell you it was CSA? They are supposed to give you written notice if they issue a garnishee notice on anybody. I would see a Solicitor and get them to demand the money back as you need it for rent, mortgage, food etc. It is wrong that anyone, including the Govt, can steal money without a court order. The oppression in this country is way out of hand and the public servants that administer these laws should be accountable. You have rights and you can sue for misfeasance and/or malfeasance in public office. There is nothing in the constitution that states the person without the children must pay. It actually states they can make laws for "child endowment" e.g. to provide someone with income, which would be from taxes. It doesn't state they can get it from fathers/mothers who don't have the children, they made that part up.
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on January 14, 2017 @ 12:48 am
    The csa took all my savings a week ago , and it was a large amount of money , I spent 2 years to save that money and at the same time I was paying child support , just a week ago they have stolen all my savings without telling me or even notifying me , my bank card was declined the other day , when tht day I found out that bank account was empty ,,, is this fair , I have broken my back for this money,,,, where is that fucking justice
    By: Supportive partner from WA, Australia on January 13, 2017 @ 9:26 pm
    Hi Stephen thanks for that.
    By: Roy Fleming from Victoria, Australia on January 13, 2017 @ 8:47 pm
    Correction: that email address is fightforourdads@gmail.com

    Cheers - Roy
    By: Roy Fleming from Victoria, Australia on January 13, 2017 @ 8:45 pm
    A lot of people commenting here want awareness and action to bring more attention to some of these issues in the hope that the Federal Government will listen and create legislative change.

    We can write all day on forums, but I agree we need to be in the streets to be visible to media, which is what a lot of people are saying on this thread. I have dealt with the same issues as most of you for the past decade and continue to deal with alienation of my beautiful 15yo daughter. I reckon we could definitely get a strong movement going if we do the following (just draft points though - happy to hear anyone's input):

    1: Start awareness of an impending public protest to gather everyone together
    2: Select an important day that's relevant to us all (I'm thinking September 3, 2017 which is Father's Day.
    3: Give the movement a name and use social media to spread initial awareness
    4: Have a platform (facebook page) where information can be posted to keep people aware of activity
    5: Get all the other father's groups together (online and offline) to join us
    6: Get women behind the movement too
    7: Plan the day with everything that's required
    8: Execute the day with heaps of media coverage
    9: Do it all again the next year, and the next year ...

    It's a lot of work, but the only way we can change anything is if we put action to our words. I personally am happy to help form a group of men (or women) who want to start work on this now. If we start now we can generate lots of media attention prior to the event. It takes of lot of motivated people to get something like this happening, but we can do it, and it will definitely work even as a start. Everyone's input is welcome, no matter how big or small your contribution.

    I have set up an email called fairgofordads@gmail.com for you to contact me and express your interest or even share your story. I will compile your stories as part of a document (like a dossier) to present to whichever politician is courageous enough to speak on the day.

    I'm based in Melbourne, but anyone can be involved using Skype, so everyone is welcome.

    Let me know your thoughts
    1590. By: Stephen from Queensland, Australia on January 13, 2017 @ 4:23 pm
    Hi All , I am not sure if this is the correct place to leave the below , If you live in australia and you are paying child support for a child who lives in New Zealand and you have a dependent in your care I strongly advise you call CYFS in NZ and make sure they have your dependent on file, I called today to ask some questions and I found my dependent child was no longer on file which meant the cost of her living was not taken into account when they calculated what amount I have to pay. The women who I have to say was very helpful , advised that legislation changed in 2015 in NZ and that if they did not have evidence of the dependent then they got taken off the system , however like in my case they had evidence but for some reason she was taken off , I now get recalculated back to April 2015 and will end up with a lower weekly amount to pay also. Guys it pays to check they have everything on file.
    By: Simone from WA, Australia on January 12, 2017 @ 8:03 pm
    Hi to your great dads who have not been given the chance to rebute any accusations that herself has offered. I am a Mother of a son who was issued with as vro which was unfounded and was unable to refute any of what was said in the Court because of the lies and innuendos by his ex. I know for a fact that his ex had defrauded the business of many thousands of dollars, she even told me so, and said she had a plan to get rid of her husband. since this time as a grandparent my husband and I have not been able to see our grandchildren for the past 11 months, and even though I used my son's phone, he was issued with a warrant, even though I had made a statement to the Police it was me who wrote the message to the grandies. It appears that as grandparents we are not allowed to see the grandies unless we (my husband and I), go to Court and spend several dollars and lawyers to have an Order for us to see the children. As pensioners and with living in a rural country town, distance is another factor, however it appears that we are on our own, and we will have to wait until the children are at an age they can choose to see us. It is terrible breach of respect and honesty towards grandparents, and I believe that if any of you have parents and grandparents, for goodness sake read all the convoluted Family Court brochures and do not under any circumstances try and contact any of the grandies if it is for your son, because the grandparents are the third party and the ex will contact the Police to take out a warrant for your son's arrest, this is the truth, we have had this happen twice. Recently in the media, there is too much advertised about how easy it is to take out a VRO, even to the extent from the Police point of view, a woman can get a VRO for the word "fear". Our son has been through the greatest hell one could imagine, but reading many of your stories, I believe you feel the same way. Don't you think it is time that us parents, grandparents started an "awareness campaign" to bring about justice for the MEN. REMEMBER IT TOOK TWO PEOPLE TO HAVE CHILDREN, why do these women demand and demand what they say is their rights, when they are the mental abusers and mental diminishes of the children, how they can manipulate the children to their own gains and lie and want all the assets and then claim huge assistance from the government and other agencies. I am incensed as to where the SYSTEM will go, but it is time for all to stand and voice their opinions. Remember how easy it is to say DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR WOMEN what about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR MEN. Make a stand you guys, ask for help from the proper authorities, then if they don't help, go to the newspapers, radio and other media outlets, even FACEBOOK.
    I am concerned as a Mother and Grandparent that our children and grandchildren will become more and more hardened by society and therefore lose their ability to think clearly with respect and honesty.
    I rest my case.
    A loving Mother and Grandparent.
    By: Mark from QLD, Australia on January 12, 2017 @ 6:57 pm
    Just a pack of complete A-holes when trying to deal with.
    12 years of separation, thousands spent, thousands taken including 8 years of tax returns that were not counted towards outstanding debt, 2 years of scraping together the last bit of a $52000 debt to finally get the CSA mouth breathers and the black hole of souls ex-wife off my back so I can regain some ability to buy kids XMAS and Birthday presents instead of saying "Sorry kids, Dad can't afford it because they took all my money", only to get home today to find a back debt of $10135.53 because of late penalty fees dating back to 2010......I don't personally hate their staff but if in this lifetime if I get the opportunity to lay a giant turd on the desk of the asshat that pushed the button on that damn computer without talking to me..I'm going to bloody well do it!!!

    P.s government snoopers if you're reading this, I'm eagerly awaiting your court order...Pricks
    By: Stephen from Queensland, Australia on January 12, 2017 @ 6:09 pm
    I am at my wits end with CSA , I am sick of getting letters stating I have x days to call as you have not been able to get hold of me to date. These letters are BS as they have my mobile number email address and yet I get nothing , when I call and ask to be advised of the times and dates they apparently tried but could not get hold of me apparently they don't have that information , I for once would also like to speak to some one who can understand and clearly speak English. I have never had so much frustration trying to understand someone.
    By: DM from WA, Australia on January 11, 2017 @ 8:48 pm
    Concerned Wife - I am hearing you. SImilar story here. Luckily your partner has you to look out for him. Just don't ever let on to the ex anything about mental health, they use it against you as I found out. As if a highly emotional situation is not supposed to affect you, of course it would affect anyone.
    I know it is little comfort but the kids will come back when they are older and have control of their own lives, so long as it is only positive talk from you guys. As sad as it is, life changes forever in divorce and the parent you hoped to be is no longer what you can be. But you still have control over the parent you are when the kids are with you. Look out for that man of yours like you have been doing. Best of luck to you.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on January 11, 2017 @ 7:22 pm
    Tanya and Concerned wife
    Could you 2 please write to Pauline Hanson as we have done. I am in exactly the same situation and have watched my husband go through hell for 15 years his ex did exactly the same once the kids got to 13 that was it.
    Pauline Hanson, Derry hunch and any others you can think of need to know about what goes on. This affects our relationships as well and if you 2 have children to your husbands it is our kids that miss out
    Please I beg you to write to them. If you scroll further down you will see a few letters we have written
    Many Thanks
    Shell
    By: concerned wife from VIC, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 11:08 pm
    HI,
    I wish I could do something for all these men being wrongly charged. My husband has been a 50/50 dad for most of his boys lives since we have been together, nearly 10 years. The boys are now 13 and 15 and their mother has manipulated them into not wanting to stay with their dad anymore. This has almost driven my husband to suicide. To make things worse, she is a Physiologist and runs her own practise, so you can see how she could get to her own kids heads. My husband would drive 6 hr round trip when they were little just to watch them get an award at school. He has been there for them ALWAYS. one son has not spoken to his dad for over 3 months now and i see the devastation in my husbands face. The older boy has just started texting his dad and catching up for dinner. To rub salt in the wound, the ex has now told child support she has care 100%. Although this is true, it is NOT what my husband wants, and she won't tell the boys to even call their dad. She lives in an $800,000 house, has her own practise, goes on overseas holidays every year, owns 2 cars, 2 harley's, caravan, boat just to name a few toys. while my husband and I have rented since we got together, because we can't afford to even go away for the weekend and she claims she only makes $30,000 a year. It sux. We both work full time jobs and try to do the best we can, but we are being screwed over. Yes, this is my side of the story but why can't assets from both parties play a part and both parties living circumstances, also the net wage not the gross wage???? I am sooooo frustrated that I cannot help my hubby's emotional state being away from his boys and now them having a choice, they don't want to see their dad because we can't afford to do anything with them.
    By: Tanya (me) from VIC, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 10:59 pm
    I feel for all men and am supporting my husband at this difficult time for him. Only 4 years left of paying a ridiculous amount of money. We struggle, while she lives the million dollar life.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on January 10, 2017 @ 8:00 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Just had some thoughts about spreading some awareness, since as some of you ,here, talk about taking some action.
    The saying goes "people power "right.
    All the writing to mp's and media dont work ,these pompous people don't care. They're the cause not the solution.
    So I humbly propose to get as many of us suffering souls and to create the most outrageous/crazy,loud spectacle this country has ever seen. Block the Sydney hubour bridge with about 1000 people chained together and mad as hell. With banners and loud pa systems. This might sound crazy but i bet this would create shock waves. And if they dont listen then do it again until change comes about.
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Selina from Qld, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 7:05 pm
    Hello fellow Father and Mothers of this disgusting system.

    Do we have a petition at change.org or anywhere, I have noticed a lot of people have sent in letters to members, but there is nothing coming back and no real indication that anyone is really listening.

    What collectively can we all do, we have been all screwed over by the system and our ex's we need action now.

    Let's get some ideas together before they start resitting soon.

    I know this is a men's site, but hardworking people either men or women that have kids with an evil Ex, have just the same problems.

    Everyone keep your heads held high and proud don't let them get to you.

    Selina.

    1580. By: Aimee Isaac from Queensland, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 10:24 am
    Hi, I know I'm a woman on the mans csa site and I think there are mothers who are not mothers and fathers who are not fathers. It should be 50/50 on custody, daycares, schooling everything. However the rules also kick the good mothers in the face not just the good fathers who honestly care about there kids. For fathers who ditch and run they use the information these sites provide to do the wrong thing by the children and mother too. The government laws are a double edged sword. I dont get child support havent for years, I DONT get government assistant for DAYCARE because of his wage and when someone finally tracked him he ran everything off to pretty much no wages. which i dont know if that made me happy or mad.. 1. I finally dont have to pay the full $140 a day for child care so I can work but 2. still ment I pay 100% of everything and 100% care. I tried to give 50/50 but he got a new gf and I got told Ill slamb the door in her face if she shows on the step. I do NOT think child support is unfair or take all your money, I know men paying stupid amounts of money to a mother without csa telling them too.. My ex was on 130,000 a yr and was told he need to pay 600 a month which he didnt, when he got to almost 20,000 they chased him up. He then claimed to make 25,000 a yr so went to 35 a month which he still dosent pay. Im the 1st too fight for fair n the child come 1st.. if you deny the father access he shouldnt pay for anything until you share the children, if the father dosent pay she should get all gov benifits and he shouldnt be allowed to see them. Maybe my situation is different to most but trying to do the right thing for my daughter pretty much put me in the situation where I get screwed by the government laws too.
    By: Pesa from WA, Australia on January 9, 2017 @ 11:19 pm
    Hi Robbed thanks for the advice I was getting worried because I know the x she will apply for as long as she can to receive child support money. I am hoping next year the end of school year that will be it for me. If she applies for continued support for uni I will indeed fight her.
    By: Robbed from VIC, AUST on January 9, 2017 @ 11:10 pm
    Pesa,

    The parent with care can apply for payments after a child is 18 until the end of the final year of school. E.g. If the child turns 18 in April 2017 and school finishes November 2017 then they want you to pay until November 2017. I was also told by a Solicitor they can apply for more payments after that if a child does further study e.g. University... but you can argue that the child is capable of earning an income… it would be very rare that someone would be required to pay after the final year of school.… Make an effort to find out the final day school finishes (call the school) and make sure the asssessment finishes the same day, otherwise, write and complain.
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 9, 2017 @ 10:39 am
    Is it Debra, or is it Beverley? Lol
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 11:16 pm
    Dear Concerned parent
    Just remember....you are information to them....everything you say is recorded....even while you are on hold. Your voice print is recorded so they keep a file so even if you deny who you say you are on the phone your voice print gives you away.
    They have gone through your background without your knowledge as they did with my wife. We found out through a freedom of information request.

    As it is you are the only way they get to your husband if he wont talk to them.

    Remove that access!

    Please don't stress....its a game. You are in a great position to use your company to your benefit. People on wages don't have the luxury that we have.
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 11:02 pm
    Dear concerned parent
    To answer
    1. No it is illegal. Just cut contact with them. YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK TO THEM OR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR HUSBAND'S DEBT. YOU MEAN NOTHING TO THEM!
    If they cannot contact him....then they need to find another way. Don't put yourself in the middle. Your husband can ignore them and they can do squat. Just document your husbands ( legal )finances to be used at a later....much later date.
    2. I am sure you can claim a percentage without even asking the ex wife but as I haven't in the past I'm not sure. Maybe someone on this forum knows more.
    3. As it has NOTHING to do with you you CAN'T get into trouble. Remember it is NOT your debt and as such have no responsibility to pay.
    Finally.....give them NOTHING...!!
    The worst they can do to him is stop him leaving the country. Everything they do and say to you is bullying bluff and coercion. They cannot jail him. The law does not allow jail time for not paying Child Support. I have been there.
    It's a game....treat it as such. They can't get blood from a stone....then again if you can't pay....don't. Like I said....the worst is a DPO, and that means nothing if you don't want to leave the country.
    My email is bennetpl@bigpond.net.au if you want to PM me and I will give you my mobile.
    By: Pesa from WA, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 9:52 pm
    My child turns 18 next year does anyone know if it stops because I have been googling and reading about Adult child maintenance!! That's crap if we still gotta pay after. Unfair.
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 5:04 pm
    Dear Neil

    Thank you for your reply and advice. Much appreciated. After seeing what they were capable of and taking what little money we had that time I am just frightened they will do it again.

    1. can they take money from a company / Trust account purely because he works for it without pay? She kept asking me why he works full time without pay, I explained purely because the business cannot afford to pay him. We have employee's and we need them so they are paid first and foremost. Naturally we hope things pick up so he can get paid :)

    2. Any way we can fight them on the amounts already paid directly to child, even though they have rejected them because the mother said she didnt accept it. And even though the child told us that the mother would take any money the child had in her bank account, even an inheritance she received.

    3.Will we get in trouble if we now go back on what I have agreed to? I have already paid them from my business as she bullied me into a payment up front and agreeing to an ongoing montly payment which i had explained we cannot afford. I offered her the same amount weekly that he used to be billed for so i figured that would be ok. She said no, they wouldnt accept that? She knows our financial situation as i explained oit all, even breaking it down to what i get paid and the fact that majority goes straight into rent. She has put it in her diary to call me in a months time to find out how I am going with sale of business and or getting loan to pay out debt. She told me usually in this situation the partner will obtain a loan to pay it off. It hard to know what to say and what not to say because i dont know our rights so i do appreciate your feedback.

    I was about to send them proof of having no money left after we sold the house because she questioned why we didnt pay our debt to CSA when we sold the house. The minimal amount we came out of sale with went straight into a rental which we are in now. I was also going to send a cover letter detailng once again our situation, what damage the CSA have already done and the frustrations we have faced with this debt and payments not recogised because the mother denied it.

    I was about to send them proof of having no money left after we sold the house. The minimal amount we came out of sale with went straight into a rental which we are in now. I was also going to send a cover letter detailng once again our situation, what damage the CSA have already done and the frustrations we have faced with this debt and payments not recogised because the mother denied it.
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 11:52 pm
    Well done everyone!!
    Great advice Neil thank's mate..
    Will please mate if you need a chat and to be able to vent some of the shit your going through call me
    0419926521 more than happy mate to help.
    Remember bud you are not alone.

    My F'n Demon just tried to have me arrested again for a text that my Mother (the kids Grandmother) send my x 4 kids on my phone..
    Keep up the fight Will, we are here for you mate.

    DJ great idea mate I'm onto them too, keep up the fight mate.

    Remember everyone if you need a chat about anything call me or text me and I will get back to you.

    It's only together that we will have a voice for change...

    Be strong everyone...

    Shane
    By: DJ from WA, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:12 pm
    All of our stories need to be told in the media 4 corners, a current affair etc. our suffering needs to stop. This organisation has too much power if it can take money from an account in a partners name or drive people to the edge.
    Will from Q'land hang in there mate don't do anything rash.
    1570. By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:12 pm
    Will
    Chin up. Your family loves you.

    It CSA conflict WILL end eventually....I am out the other side of 20 years of courts, jail threats attempted jailing's DPO's etc. etc. now and it does get better.

    My kids x 4 still love me and that's all I need to know and as they are older now...26-32.. they understand what I went through.

    It WILL end....please make sure you are there at the end...your kids need you.

    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    Dear concerned partner.
    DO NOT TALK TO THEM.....IT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY....YOU ARE NOT THE CHILD'S MOTHER. CUT ALL CONTACT.

    DO NOT GIVE THEM A CENT OF YOUR MONEY.

    What they have done in taking money from a joint account is illegal.

    As the business is in YOUR name you owe them NOTHING.
    Recsind your offer in writing as YOU owe them nothing. The "debt" is your husbands. Do not give them ANY information.
    Take your husband's name off your pay account immediately.
    The only account your husband van use is an Company account attached to YOUR company. They legally cannot touch a company account.
    Please see a GOOD accountant and ask him to tailor your affairs behind the company as a firewall to protect against the CSA
    Do it ASAP
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    Dear concerned partner.
    DO NOT TALK TO THEM.....IT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY....YOU ARE NOT THE CHILD'S MOTHER. CUT ALL CONTACT.

    DO NOT GIVE THEM A CENT OF YOUR MONEY.

    What they have done in taking money from a joint account is illegal.

    As the business is in YOUR name you owe them NOTHING.
    Recsind your offer in writing as YOU owe them nothing. The "debt" is your husbands. Do not give them ANY information.
    Take your husband's name off your pay account immediately.
    The only account your husband van use is an Company account attached to YOUR company. They legally cannot touch a company account.
    Please see a GOOD accountant and ask him to tailor your affairs behind the company as a firewall to protect against the CSA
    Do it ASAP
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 7:11 pm
    Hi Guys
    Sorry this is LONG! First time poster…..
    I am the partner and contactee on his behalf with CSA as he just won’t answer his phone to private numbers, so they now call me. I need some advice so I don’t say the wrong thing or make the wrong move. We have a large CSA debt and it 50% fees and the rest Child support. The problem is, up until his child turned about 9 it was ok, we were paying the support. Then they had a falling out and she took off with child interstate for about 4 years which we knew nothing about it as he wasn’t allowed to see his child and could not communicate with his ex. She got CSA involved and upon child and mother returning to our state and us re-establishing relationship with child we started helping out the teenage child the best way we thought and that was paying for things for child. Phone credit, money for clothes, food etc. The child hardly attended school and was rarely at home also lived with us for a portion of the time because they were fighting with mum. Child is now over 18 and the debt still remains. We have informed them dollar for dollar what we have given to child and they asked the mother permission to use that as CSA payment. she of course declined because she is a money grubber. She was claiming full pension, working and running small business and living with her new boyfriend. We did help her by providing for the child so the child didn’t have to ask her for anything. We even asked to purchase a car for child in lieu of paying this debt, mother declined Child still has no car. we wanted to give the child head start and help them. so now we are required to pay the full amount even though we have already paid it or a good portion of it directly to child. CSA rang me 2 day before xmas (thanks CSA) and gave me until 3rd January to come up with an offer for payment arrangement, of course my offer was knocked back even though it was more than what his weekly payments were calculated at anyway! I spoke to a new case manager, who says she’s in ‘litigation’. She threatened all kinds of things.
    One day I went to use my bank card which was an account in both mine and my partners name and it declined. I knew I had money in there as I checked account before I left home (before smart phones) Then I receive an email from one of the builders stating that CSA have instructed them that if any money is owing to him (a sole trader) that it was to be sent to them. So two days before xmas, with CSA taking everything we had and now the builders thinking we are scum, we had no work on the horizon.
    I explained to her that due to CSA's methods we lost our house (had no money coming in to pay mortgage), lost all work We ended up fighting hard and doing what we could to survive and purchased an established business which meant immediate payment and no more chasing up builders or payments etc . How did CSA know who we did work for? I’ll never know!! This new business was put into both our names and under a company / trust.
    Turns out the seller fudged the figures and we were ripped off  so for over 4 years now my man has slaved away and worked his guts out to provide a roof over our heads without pay! The business got transferred to my name because he couldn’t handle all the pressure and took off for a bit. We are lucky he came back in one piece.
    So I’ve accepted their counter offer on a monthly payment plan and offered to pay in full once we sell a portion of our business. Problem is, my partner doesn’t agree with that and wants to remain on payment plan and not pay it out in full because we need that money to rebuild our lives. Where I just want CSA gone out of our lives.

    They have also threatened that even though the business and everything else is in my name that they cant get court order and take what they want from our business . She also asked if I can use business money to pay the debt, borrow from business. I explained that the business is running at a loss and we have a revolving door, money in, money straight out! We have employees and of course ourselves to support. I’m not prepared to risk either for a debt they say we still have.
    What are my rights? Is there any way to fight for at least a reduction due to what we have already paid out directly to child? Is it worth fighting it? My only fear right now is how far they will/can go because as I was on the phone to her she was asking about transactions I had made with business account which there is no way she’d know unless she was looking at the statements! How are they allowed to do that? Its not even in my partners name. Of course this all came about when she was asking me to pay with business money and I explained we didn’t have any money hidden anywhere, not in business and not in personal. I hope now she sees that is true she will leave my business alone.
    Another thing is, we have a personal joint bank account and the only money that goes in there is MY pay. My partner does not receive any pay from anywhere!
    I appreciate any advice and to all you guys out there doing it tough, stay strong!

    By: Will from Qld, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 2:36 pm
    Well they have done it I am fully emotionally broken. They have fully drained me of all motivation and thought. I fill like a complete reck and no good to my new family. I don't even have the energy to get mad or give a shot about my self or wellbeing any more. I have given up. Thank u guys for the support u have all given me. Take care all
    By: Observer from Vic, Australia on January 6, 2017 @ 1:22 pm
    One other tip: do not give the staff at the CSA ANY telephone number either - on top of not disclosing an email address.

    This forces them to contact you by mail at all times.

    And if they ask in a telephone conversation for your employer's details, decline that too. They may even ask for your occupation: that is another question you can politely decline to answer.

    Mailing everything (including forms) back rather than emailing is the way to go.
    By: Observer from Victoria , Australia on January 6, 2017 @ 1:18 pm
    Many comments on here are 'venting' which is understandable, but some objective analysis would be better.

    If you are commencing to deal with the Child Support Agency, try NOT to give it your email address. Minimise your telephone contact with staff.

    Insist that the agency mails you everything. Mail written objections, if applicable using the forms on the Human Services website that you should print out and return by mail, photocopying each page and keeping it in a file.

    This has been a successful strategy for me, as it forces staff to justify every action they take.

    Quite a few of the staff are probably fairly sympathetic to the majority of us who meet every request or demand for payment of child support, as there is a very substantial number (and percentage) who do not. At last count between 25 and 33 per cent of 'clients' (a word I dislike) were in arrears: some justifiably as the CSA has incorrectly assessed them; some because they refuse to pay it and in a few cases have moved assets (and themselves) overseas to be out of the Agency's grasp (until they try to return to Australia and upon leaving back to their new country find they have a departure prohibition order lodged against them.)

    Remember if you pay school fees to pay them directly to the school and not to the other parent. That way, upon you submitting a receipt and filling out the prescribed payments form, you can then each month pay only 70 per cent of your assessed CSA liability. Of course, in a typical CSA way, the agency never shows you the amount due if you paid 70 per cent of the monthly assessment: it merely states in a little box on the front of the invoice that this option is available if you have a 'prescribed payment' accepted.

    The other thing is to get your tax returns in promptly. If your income drops, this will assist in lowering your assessment.

    Dealing with the CSA by mail is the best tip I can give!
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 5, 2017 @ 11:16 pm
    Hay everyone
    copy of the email to the minister for Human (Sacrifice) resources

    Your killing us and we know you know you are!!

    Minister Alan,

    You need to change your title to Minister for Human Suicides Mate!!

    This disgusting horrible system/industry that you have created through what you do and the Industry of PARENTAL ALIENATION through the so called "family court" is killing many many people.
    You look like quite a bright man however I'm sure that you have either been blinded or held back by the ones making the money from this atrocious system/industry to keep your mouth shut.
    If I can please ask you to grow some balls and help fix this one sided shit system or stand the hell down and let someone else fix it.
    HUMAN SERVICES --- BULL SHIT MATE
    GROW UP AND REALLY TRY TO HELP WILL YOU!!
    OR OPEN THE FUNERAL PARLOR AND MAKE MORE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE ALIENATED PARENT..
    Your CSA should stand for Child Separation and Abuse ( or Alienation of parents) not Child support that's F'n just bullshit.!!!!

    So resign or f'n help mate.

    Shane
    Perth WA

    Fuck'm send one too will ya!!
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on January 5, 2017 @ 8:54 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, csa / family flaw, multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Ian , I've had ,about seven years ago a private agreement with the ex. Only because her life was going well with mr right,also I offered to pay her weekly. She accepted ,even though it was around $20 less then going through csa. Well those csa maggots told her that they don't agree with it and that she can get more by collecting through them. Anyway the ex signed a form accepting the agreement. So it lasted about a year ,in which I kept every receipt of payment. Then the ex left mr right and her life went bad. So ,all she did was pick up the phone and call those maggots, the rest is history. Fast forward seven years to now and Im still paying top dollar and had my 52 nights care reduction removed ,cause my ex's mother and some random friends signed bogus statutory declarations claiming that i dont have my son for the 52 nights, even though I have airfare tickets + court orders!! to prove it!!, but csa maggots would not believe me. Iam a absent father even more so than before.Sometimes i wonder how lucky my ex is that im a law abiding citizen, only because my new family keeps me grounded, but what about those men ,who have lost it all, who get pushed to the edge ,for whom its too late to start again, what have they got to loose?.
    Rot in hell all solicitors and lodge politicians.
    By: Lyndon from Qld, Aus on January 4, 2017 @ 7:20 pm
    Just had laugh about debt letters being sent out from centrelink and its been driving people to near suicide. Ive been dealing with this from child support for ten years with debts if up to 70 thousand then only to have it corrected after a reveiw . Unfortunately if you have been ripping of the system just like my ex wife i have no sympathy
    1560. By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 2, 2017 @ 10:44 pm
    A copy from your say..

    Hay Michael
    Stay strong mate.
    Do what you can for you!! Mate your kids will find out the truth and come back from the dark side.
    We have all seen this so many times they always come back to the right side.
    Just give them all the love you can when you do see them and they know mate who is the victim in what happened to you, me and all the other poor buggers out there, they know.
    Sometimes it takes a bit of reprogramming but they do know the truth deep down mate, deep down they do.
    They feel your love and your protection and they do know you will always be there for them.
    We still have to nurture our little ones into functioning loving humans.
    You need to make and keep them close as you can when you see them to fend off the poison but you can with your love mate.
    Your kids love you you know that.
    This fuck'n horrible system/industry is designed or has been to make you a Monster.
    You know who you are!!
    It's time to make a stand.
    I've started
    I've had calls back from the CSA and are so called human resources social worker department asking after my email I sent to them if I was suicidal and They seem to be disappointed because I wasn't.
    Stand up mate turn that Mad As Hell Anger to a positive for the poor baste reds that are fighting the Demon’s now and in the future.
    Fuck'm stand up.
    Remember the CSA stands for Child Separation and Abuse
    They have Absolutely no idea and don't care about what they do to anyone.(kids included.
    The family abuse court is also under the system/ management.
    As we all know.
    Look out I'm coming !! Who's with me??

    Shane
    0419 926 521
    Perth
    Call me for a chat mates if you need a boost.
    Stay Strong, Be mad as hell!!
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on January 2, 2017 @ 7:23 pm
    Hi Mark,

    The following web page will tell you how the Child Support Agency calculates the support amount :

    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/working-out-child-support-payments-using-basic-formula

    You can also use the following calculator :

    https://processing.csa.gov.au/estimator/About.aspx

    The biggest factors when calculating child support are your and your ex's Income, and the number of nights your child spends with you each month (the Child Care Percentage).

    You are not obliged to go through the Child Support Agency, and can negotiate a Financial Plan with your ex instead if you both agree.

    If you do not already have one, I would suggest you and your ex also draw up a Parenting Plan.

    Take care
    Ian



    By: Mark from WA, Aus on January 2, 2017 @ 5:57 pm
    Hi,
    So the conversation had just been had between myself and the wife, Can anyone tell me how much I'm looking at in child support for a 3 year old boy?
    I've looked at various sites but can't see a percentage etc?
    Help?
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on December 31, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
    My Letter to One Nation today:

    To: Senator Pauline Hanson
    Re: Changes to Federal Child Support Policies

    Dear Ms. Hanson,
    I write this letter to yourself because I have heard that your party may be reviewing child support practices and policy in future. I only want to give you an overview of my particular case, because at this time my two daughters are practically grown up, and I do not feel that I would have much longer to pay anyway.
    Firstly, I believe that what needs to be exposed, and make public, is the direct effect that this particular government policy has on levels of male suicide in Australia. I know, because in the past, I have been close myself.
    The past is the past of course, and cannot be changed. For me, this past has been me having my girls taken away without my knowledge, of being lied to consistently about both their location and their education and well-being, and of course numerous lies to my children, from their mother, about me and my family. This sort of behaviour has to stop.
    My girls have been consistently moved around Western Australia, at one stage living with a man whose son had been dealing in class A drugs. My ex speaks of the inconsistency that I have brought into the lives of my daughters, and yet she is the one who has always taken them away.
    For me, all of this culminated at the end of 2016, when my eldest daughter of 17, deliberately lied to my face regarding times and dates of her high school graduation. This was later put on social media, to portray me as a “Uncaring Bastard”.
    Finally, more recently I was happy to sign some paperwork so that my ex-wife could take my girls to Japan for a holiday in 2017. After signing, I have found out through various sources that the CSA have the ability to block my passport, so that I am unable to go on holiday. Where is the fairness in this?
    In the past, I have approached several media outlets about this, such as A Current Affair. But it seems that they only want to talk about “deadbeat dads”.
    I hope that One Nation can restore some balance to this equation, if not for me, then for all other fathers who have lost their children to this system
    Yours sincerely,
    By: Bernard from New South Wales, Australia on December 30, 2016 @ 9:19 pm
    My fellow gentlemen:
    May we bid farewell to this miserable year. I personally am looking forward to 2017: to a year without CSA garnishing my wages, to a year without fighting with my gloomy bitch of an ex, to a year without any court dates, to a year of not paying lawyers fees, to a year of not paying court fees, to a year of not being harassed by CSA, to a year of enjoying life, to a year of living life, and perhaps (god willing) to a year of discovering true love with a kind woman. My ex has moved on and now has a brand new baby to go with her brand her husband- perhaps some of us gentlemen also will be given the chance of a new beginning.
    May we all receive the blessings we deserve come the end of the worst year ever 2016

    AMEN
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