Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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By: Bryon from qld, australia on July 2, 2015 @ 11:12 am
Rolf, I don't know mate but I would love to know how my child's name was changed without my consent also! he is 16. and living under my ex's husbands name. I only just found him a couple of months ago after 7 years of mystery. do i call her out on this fraud??
 
By: Rolf Nilsson from QLD, Australia on July 2, 2015 @ 10:47 am
I have not seen my daughter for a very long time. Initially, it was due to the toxicity of the relationship as this was very unsettling for the child and was not going to end without courts and disagreements. I have been trying to find my daughter for around 6 years now. I believe that her name has been changed but cannot find her or the mother anywhere. The name is rather generic (I will not disclose it here obviously) meaning that there are literally thousands of both the child's and mothers. I have paid CSA for the childs entire life.She turns 18 this year. How can the mother have changed her name without my consent given that the CSA knows I exist? How can I find her?
 
By: Bruce from QLD, Australia on June 30, 2015 @ 11:37 pm
Real CS Info - incorrect.

They definitely share it with your ex. Trust me i know from experience! The debt is not just between you and CS. Any request for anything other than penalty remission gets sent to the other party. Thats not how you play cricket. Good luck.
 
By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on June 30, 2015 @ 9:54 pm
Mark they do not share your financual information for hardship. The form says this as it is also used in CoA reason 8. Just call before you send to be reassured. Privacy laws prevent sharing here as debt repayment is between you and csa under reg and collection act and they cannot share details via this.
 
By: Mark from nsw, australia on June 30, 2015 @ 8:20 pm
I started a new job in sydney from another state. Looking for greener pastures pretty much. While I was jobless for 2 months,I still nominated to DHS that I will maintain paying child support but at a minimum instead of nothing. That was okay. I moved to Sydney to try it out. got a job. Told DHS that I was on probation wasn't sure whether I will like it or not. By the way they don't care u t r on probation as long as u r getting a pay check, they want a peace of it. Then they rang me 3 months later saying they have got some info that I'm employed. I said to them well I told you I was on probation 2 months ago. Anyway we arranged to pay arrears to bring the account forward slowly. I was paying $495 including a $46 bucks of arrears a fortnight.They called me back 3 weeks ago demanding I add $100 to pay off arrears faster. I refused because nothing had changed on my side of things from a previous arrangement. Why the change? I said can't afford it. Have a property in my other state not rented out at the moment and paying mortgage from my pay plus renting here in Sydney as well. They said they will send me a hardship form. I received it. Started filling it out. The form says a copy of it will be sent to the other party on every page. For me that's a no no. Someone who just need my money? Someone whom I don't have a relationship with? Someone I don't even know where they live, what they do, who they are married to? Someone who has another child with her hubby and etc? Someone who doesn't want to speak to me for no reason and over 6 years now let alone see my child however can request money from me through DHS easily?I thought about it. Yes I'm in hardship but why should I list all I have and where my money goes and this other party then gets that info yet I don't know her information or whatsoever? I realised DHS knows that people will not expose that information and will rather pay. Basically, there is no choice even though they send you that form. Is that fair tho? Has anyone been in that situation? What did you do? I am thinking at the moment before I can renegotiate. I think I'm about to get into a battle of full custody now.
 
By: robin from nsw, australia on June 30, 2015 @ 11:33 am
good point
you could always report her to centre link it can be done on line or over the phone
 
By: darren from WA, Australia on June 30, 2015 @ 7:53 am
Robin - my ex doesn't inform Centrelink that she has repartnered. He is FIFO, so simply states a different address - even though it is well known they live together, and have for some time. I also realise it is not up to an ex's partner to support my children - and that really wasn't my point. My point is, that when an ex does repartner (especially with a partner with money) there is no incentive for the ex to work, or to work hard to have an increased income of their own. To that end, their income drops, my child support increases. Traditionally, and still greatly so, it remains the male partner in a relationship that supports the family (not always I accept), so if the male is the payer parent they will always be at a disadvantage when also then trying to support their own new family.

The male payer parent supports 2 families - the other non-working partner, who is supported by a good wage from a new partner, is fully supported from 2 streams ... THAT was my point.
 
By: robin from nsw, australia on June 30, 2015 @ 8:53 am
Darren
If your x repartners she is not allowed to any centrelink benefits at all and should be removed from them if she tells centrelink as they go of her new partners income. CSA state that its not up to her new partner to suppot your kids so his income is not taken into account.
CSA and centre link are linked if you pay child support then centre link find out and take the payments off her family tax A & B payments to get some of the money back
EG for every dollor the x gets in child support centre link take 50 cents of her payments ( hope that made sence )
 
By: Darren from WA, Australia on June 29, 2015 @ 5:57 pm
I just think it's about time that the CSA and the Family Court were somehow linked. The system can never be 100% right, because there are a number of different scenarios that play out. The starting position of "if you have 0% care (kids live in a different state) then your percentage of financial support is increased needs to be looked at and re-thought. Also, before the amendments were put through there was an upper limit of $143,000 - which meant a paying parent could work hard, and eventually get to the point where the money they earnt was, dollar for dollar, going into their own pocket. This encouraged hard work, and the desire to get better. Now - the limit is is based on a joint income (after the self support allowance is taken out) and is closer to $200,000. so where there is inequity in income (let's say the ex earns $30,000 (with a $23,000 self support allowance) and you earn $180,000 (with a $23,000 self support allowance) the joint income is $164,000) the "hard worker" is penalised for working hard or improving themselves

Now consider that the ex re-partners, and still earns $30,000. the new partner earns $120,000. if you now work out the ex's "lifestyle" capacity, she has access to $30K, plus $120K, plus all the Centrelink benefits and allowances, plus about $35K tax free from your income (based on 2 kids). WOW.

Solution - bring back an upper, and reasonable, limit that encourages the paying parent to keep working and keep improving themselves for the benefit of their new family. also, introduce some mechanism that can look at cases where the children are moved interstate for a fairer and more equitable calculation.
 
550. By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on June 25, 2015 @ 8:44 pm
Hi to all paying parents,
Family law/csa multi million dollar racket, destroying families and creating the new " Stolen Generation" it is actually " Crimes Against Humanity".
Personally knowing many fathers who struggle to see their kids and reading here how many are having the same problems, it just proves how common it is when a father is restricted access ,including myself may I add. My wife said that if csa gave my ex a credit card in my name,then it would be easy to see what she spends the money on as I would get the receipt each months . This would make her more accountable no doubt. And the receipt could be used as evidence in court. This would give the paying parent a sense of some control of how the money is being spent. It's not complicated and could easily set up by the extortionists at csa. The other major thing IF YOU DONT SEE YOUR KIDS Then YOU DONT PAY! Or the restricting parent looses custody. How hard is it to understand???. Man are committing suicide, women are getting murdered, children are torn apart and damaged (Stolen Generation) but it's all in the best interests of the child the family law/ csa bastards say. And the gov bustards want to protect us from the terrorists ???well tell that to the 21 one fathers who commit suicide each week and the 2 women murdered every three days.
Advance Australia Fkn Fair!

 
By: Aaron from NSW, Australia on June 25, 2015 @ 11:18 am
Byron and John

My sympathies to both of you I feel for you and thankfully I'm not in that position I get my boys 6 days a fortnight. I think not being allowed to see your kids would be worse then the money CSA extort.

I believe that parents in your position shouldn't have to pay child support after all the decision to have access to your children has been taken away from you, unless there is a very good reason no parent should be denied access to thier children.

Unfortunately the whole system fails here big time.

What I believe should happen is that when a relationship of parents of children break down there should be a process of assessment on both parents and the decision's on where the children stay and with who should be decided by a third party obviously also taking into account what both parents want but what also should be taken into account is gender of the child, abuse in the relationship, and many other factors, this would give a fair outcome for the child hopefully.
 
By: Bryon from QLD, australia on June 25, 2015 @ 10:52 am
John, i have no words mate.

I feel your pain. i did that pain for about 6 years until finally deciding to move forward.

Dry season is about the only thing i miss of darwin. can i tell you what i did? Option A was suicide. its still an option really. Since i had zero contact with my son i bit the bullet and moved away, down south.

I moved to melbourne and got a job as a contractor -business admin/sales. I have had 5 jobs since and all have been happy to pay me as a contractor. im now in qld.

its not about dodging CS. its about regaining CONTROL. I've met my obligations (well sort of, my now-wife takes care of the payments and i have a small debt, which isn't a debt its an "over assessment" - a BUFFER, just to make sure i dont over pay her one cent more,

dissolving the extortion and having control over the money is 90% of the problem. lets face it, the MONEY is the very tool that allows your ex to live freely without obligation to you.

the other 10% is a walk in the park. you could negotiate school holidays ie the kids visit, i'll give you $1,000 go have a bender with your girlfriends in bali for a few days.

that would be $1,000 that would ordinarily be due anyways, but you can dress it up in such a way that she actually says..... THANK YOU, JOHN. HERE'S THE KIDS. HAVE A NICE WEEK.

hang in there mate.
 
By: John from NT, Australia on June 25, 2015 @ 9:54 am
Morning All

Oh such a beautiful day in the 'top end' dry season.

Only to realise that my X has blocked my cell phone from contacting their land line and all their (somtimes functioning) cell phones.

And its the four week school holiday break.

Death by a thousand cuts.

Hey CSA: Note this in your Captains ship log.

1) Parental Alienation syndrome - ongoing.
2) SAD's (stress anxiety depression) all indicate extreme 5 out of 5.
3) Client requires ongoing support and caution in dealings from the CSA.
4) Put on 'watch list'.






 
By: BK from Wa, Australia on June 24, 2015 @ 2:44 pm
Thanks for your response. What I failed to note, was that when I left, I instantly applied for government benefits to support myself and children. I was not in a position to work, and there would be no way my children would have been safe with their father.
The whole system is a crock of shit anyway, he switches bank accounts, jobs and addresses regularly and fails to lodge tax returns. He does not have to pay. And don't get me started on the family court situation, kids and I walked away with the clothes on our backs, by the time it went to trial (as he refused to participate in negotiation or turn up at court ever) he had managed to gamble away all of our money and assets. When there's nothing left you get nothing and like csa say, you can't het blood from a stone. Oh well, like the ex says, that's my punishment for leaving, like I had a choice.
Whinge complete :)
 
By: Bryon from QLD, australia on June 24, 2015 @ 12:23 pm
Aimee i would like clarification on something.

You mentioned that if CS over estimate the payers earnings then the receiver's entitlement from centrelink is reduced.

what happens when the payer lodges a tax return and the true liability is realised - does the receiver then get a lump sum back payment from centrelink? i would assume so?
 
By: Aaron from NSW, Australia on June 24, 2015 @ 12:14 pm
BK

I was referring in relation to a single parent who doesn't go out and get a job, I was referring to the instance where the other parent does have an income.

I certainly don't condone what your ex partner and father to your children did, nor was he an acceptable example of a father, if he is truly the man you say he is then no children should be around him as he is a risk to thier safety, his own and everybody else's.

The point I'm trying to make is that a parent who makes no effort to get a job and provide for thier children doesn't set a good example to the child nor does it show that they are putting thier children first.

Nowhere did I mention a monetary figure in my statement, you have a job and have made the effort to work, therefore my statement is certainly not aimed at you nor a $30,000 vs $130,000 scenario it's more aimed at job vs no job or job vs can't be bothered making the effort to get a job.

Sounds like you trying to do the best for your kids, that's what counts, it's about putting the kids first
 
By: Bryon from qld, australia on June 24, 2015 @ 12:14 pm
BK, thanks for sharing your story.

I think the ONLY thing we can all agree on is that CS is not a "one size fits all" issue and yet, that is the ONLY thing that needs to change. just like when you get divorced there is a mandatory (albeit straightforward) process. CS should be the same. lets address the husband & wife as a unique pair humans parting ways.

a blanket approach for millions of people with such vast variations of circumstance only means lose lose. THIS is what needs addressing.

good on you BK for picking yourself up and dusting yourself off. you are a great role model of resiliance for your children.
 
By: BK from Wa, Australia on June 24, 2015 @ 9:27 am
In response to having the child/ren reside with the earning parent..
Pre separation my children and I lived with my husband living comfortably on his $130,000 income. I was a home maker with limited education and work experience. My husband was aware of this when we met. 9 years later he became an abusive methamphetamine addict that would stash needles around our home, hit me and strangle me in front of our children. The last straw was coming home to find him hanging from the ceiling, clinically dead. He lived, I left, and he now has a $35,000 debt to csa that he refuses to pay. The past three years I have re educated myself and taken what work I can, though I am extremely limited due to my experience and the distance I can travel and still be able to collect my children before child care closes. So just because I can only earn $30,000 annually, should that mean I place my children in the care of their unstable abusive father, as he could provide financially better than I?
I don't know how he could take them to school or childcare with a 5am start!
 
By: Mark from nsw, australia on June 23, 2015 @ 7:35 pm
you are correct no one would agree with that. I like where you said the parent with an income takes the care and custody. I'm mean after due diligence is done. But my question is, are we going to act on these changes or are we just talk them off here.
 
540. By: Aaron from NSW, Australia on June 23, 2015 @ 3:18 pm
Aimee

Unfortunately the welfare system as a whole, centrelink, child support services etc. let's everyone down that is honest.

It's obvious that the welfare system is there to support the unscrupulous.

These individuals should be tracked down and held accountable, made responsible.

Unfortunately it's too big an issue for the public servants to get on top of.

My view along with many others is that the system should change, but no matter what you do not everyone will be happy.

If the rules where the way I think should be someone would still complain.

For instance I believe where one parent has an income and the other parent doesn't then the parent with the income should automatically get primary care of the children. Not everyone will agree with that.

Child support where one parent is unemployed I believe should be based on thier potential to earn and not what they earn. Not everyone would be happy with that.

Child support should be measured on income after tax, someone out there wouldn't like that.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg on my views here but the point is, not everyone will be happy and people will still wrought the system, no matter what is done people will be ripped off and people will still find a way to rip people off, avoid thier responsibility to thier children etc. Sorry your ex doesn't support thier children, not all dads are like that, despite my views and what I'm meant to pay I'be still paid thousands more this financial year towards my children then I'm obliged to by CSA but that's because they are my kids
 
By: John from NT, Australia on June 23, 2015 @ 2:29 pm
Aimee
Whilst not denying your need and being ripped off by a parent that doesn't put salary 'across the books' this applies to BOTH genders.

AS far as tax deductability goes; I wish you would check the facts before sprouting off on this forum. THERE IS NO TAX DEDUCTABILITY FOR CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS! This is personally very insulting to see this sort of misinformation on the site!

Check your facts befoer posting please.

Misinformatoin likethe stuff the CSA puts out is very difficult to handle and is a very sensitive area.

All 'posters' should be aware of this and sensitive to the way in which their information can be interpreted. RED FLAG ALERT.

More emphathy please!

Regards

 
By: Aimee from Qld, Australia on June 23, 2015 @ 2:20 pm
Hi Ive notice a lot of people on here are struggling with child support. I think men like my ex has made me quite bias on the view. However I had a stepchild once and went to work to help pay the support but I did not have my own child at this point. I would like to point out that failure to pay child support or make an arrangement also affects the mother. If she is on centerlink her money will be cut because of your income and if you dont pay on your end your child can be left going without. For example my ex earnt over 100,000.00 because of this my pay was cut to $350 a fort night (he dose not pay his child support however). Leaving me having to pay rent, power, food ect for myself and child. This has made my life very hard, extremely stressed and emotional. I tried going to work but daycare ended up costing me 300+ a week which left me $50 a wk, a far cry less then what centrelink payments gave me. We are unable to collect child support because he wont lodge, when he does he wont claim any returns, and they are always years behind so he is no longer at that place of employment. It is because of acts like this that single mothers think more should be done to force fathers to help. Most mothers are 100% comfortable if you pay your child support to the school, or daycares ect. you can use these receipts for child support to reduce your bill. So if you have 2 kids in school why not pay 3 lots, its all tax deductable, you know its going to the child.
 
By: Aaron from NSW, Australia on June 21, 2015 @ 10:03 pm
The whole welfare system is a joke, as a single parent I was $6750 better off a year then what I am now, likewise my wife also roughly better off by about the same amount, I don't necessarily care too much about benefits I receive but why should a single parent be that much more better off then a married couple.

Top this off with paying an ex that chooses not to work, why should I pay her for not working ? To make things even better my current wife is going to have a baby and my maintenance payments will only reduce be 16% So I'm supposedly meant to support the child that lives with me full time on 16% of the amount of my kids that only live with me 40% of the time, I really don't understand how that works, in addition as previously stated they calculate the amount on the taxable amount, not what you get in your hand and to top this off the self care amount is a joke also $23000 something thousand, gone through that before I've even fed myself and run my car, the whole welfare system needs to changed, but how do you take them on to get them to change it ?
 
By: Bruce from QLD, Australia on June 21, 2015 @ 9:18 pm
Ky: yes correct. You will be raped and pillaged for more!
 
By: Ky from Nsw, Australia on June 21, 2015 @ 7:57 pm
I am currently forced to pay over $400 per week to my ex who ears $90000.00 per year simply because I earn slightly more than him. He has been done drink driving and could lose his job. If he does will I be forced to pay even more because of his stupidity?
 
By: Esther Fisk from alabama, United States on June 16, 2015 @ 12:15 pm
Divorce is the biggest difficult moment but after that also many problem arises and one such is the issue of fighting for child custody and also always comes in the hand of women but now it is changing scenario and dads have proved themselves by proper approach i solved my case to get custody from lawyer Centreville, VA of the www.leemeierlaw.com
 
By: Jess Young from SA, Australia on June 8, 2015 @ 10:24 pm
I continue to be so angry that child support is taken from a wage BEFORE TAX. It makes me sick!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with the system????
The only thing that we can do is explain to our male children is to wear 2 codoms, and if EVER A WAN SAYS SHE CANNOT GET PREGNANT DUE TO MEDICAL ISSUES -PUT A THIRD CONDOM ON
I am certainly not trying to be revolting, I am speaking the truth xxxx
 
By: Bryon from Qld, Australia on June 8, 2015 @ 8:16 pm
Kris. Nailed it.

Child support IS spousal support. Its not child support. Period. Stop kidding ourselves
 
By: Bryon from Qld, Australia on June 8, 2015 @ 7:20 pm
http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/familylawcourts/precedent/mother-loses-custody-after-preventing-judge-takes-girl-away-from-selfish-mum-and-gives-her-to-dad-in-custody-battle/2688/


 
530. By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on June 8, 2015 @ 6:37 pm
Hi to all paying parents,
Family law/csa ,multi billion dollar racket ,destroying family's and creating the new "Stolen Generation" .
I agree with you John from NT, we're living in a communist ditactorship instead of censorship we have political correctness b.s. Csa fact my wife just recently made me aware of. If your ex does not work or looses her job,than you pay 100% right. But if my wife looses her job I don't get a reduction, get the picture? Child support is a disguised form of ex spousal support . Also ever week 21 fathers commit suicide and 2 women are murdered every 3 days because of inhuman heartless ,evil family law/csa outcomes. This shit has been going on for years,yet no government bustard has done anything about it. I guess they are too busy worring about homosexuals who want to marry .
Where is the "EQUAL" in family law/csa as expressed by the homosexual lobbies? . Advance Australia Fk fair!.
 
By: CSA Sucks from QLD, Australia on June 5, 2015 @ 12:56 pm

The only way to get results is to have senators elected who support us. We really only need 1 or 2 of these senators in parliament to voice our concern. Find an area where there are a high amount of child support paying people and bring them together to vote for said senators, and make sure they know how many votes they are getting from us.


 
By: David from Queensland, Australia on June 5, 2015 @ 10:26 am
combine that document and change.org petitions with yours and others letters we could put somewhere? and then send off to MPs etc?
 
By: David from Queensland, Australia on June 4, 2015 @ 5:27 pm
Erin and wilma let us know if the letters achieve anything. My idea was to do more of a big group effort which is why i started on the following:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EvSVolE_7HsknXRR3DM_Lge0JVCobyIjJWBEvBfzO1c/edit?pli=1

The idea being to plan out everything, detail all the problems on both sides and maybe come up with some petitions on change.org and detailing those petitions in the document and then action that document with a plan of changes that are needed and who and how which i haven't fully thought out yet.
 
By: wilma from Qld, Australia on June 4, 2015 @ 12:04 pm
Hi Erin

I will also send letters to the relevant Ministers of Parliament.

I hope that good things will come out of this, especially for you and your family.

Take Care.


 
By: Erin from QLD, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 8:50 pm
Thank you everyone for your support I had to hide in the loo as I didn't want my daughter to see how upset i am.

I am tired and so is my husband if anything I can do for someone in power is to show there needs a change. After all this there is nothing we would miss here in Australia unfortunately!

My daughter and I have decided we are going to write to the member of parliament and our prime minister (we know it won't do anything) but I refuse to be reduced to nothing while a women who does not live for her children gets everything!

Anyone interested in writing a letter and emailing/posting to me in Queensland with issues I am happy to post with ours. I'm hoping numbers count
 
By: Real CS info from QLD, Australia on June 4, 2015 @ 7:31 pm
John, not sure if I amuse you or confuse you but - O do agree there needs to be a campaign on Child Support in highschools- for both boys and girls.

For as many fathers who pau the higher assessmetn and mothers who pay (yes it happens) there are a lot who pay the minimum which leaves a lot with nothing -

if there is a question about the rules happy to answer - Just dont want see another mum or dad hurt themselves or continue to see the impact it has on the new families -

Good luck everyone - and yes be careful who you choose to have children with -
 
By: Tim from wa/, uk on June 3, 2015 @ 11:02 am
Erin
Stay strong. It's hard for all of us against the csa debt collectors. Most debt collectors are accountable though. This one is only accountable to itself ie not accountable.
 
By: John from NT, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 7:59 pm
Erin

Wise words mate and the reason behind my previous comment the the secondary school curriculum needs to include for Males a course on the Family Law act and what happens if they get their dick wet in the Stalinist State.

I fear for my son who may unwittingly fall into the spiders trap as well. Oh Males are failing in school too now this is of the topic but related.....

Keep up the good work Real CS this is good therapy for me at least without getting too emotional.

I was however very fortunate in the emotional side of things to have an employer provided psychologist who incidentally was similarly afflicted by serparation - ha what comes around goes around.

With you Erin and partner - stay strong!
 
By: Wilma from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 7:41 pm
Hi Erin
I am just disgusted at the way CSA are treating you and your partner and your family. I feel for you. There is no fairness in the whole system.
The Government should feel ashamed of themselves for allowing this trauma to exert itself on payers and their new families.
It needs to be addressed as soon as possible.
Try George Christensen's Office, MP in Mackay and write to Mr Abbott.
Don't let CSA get the better of you. Hold your head high and know that there are decent honest people out there who really care.
Wilma



 
520. By: Real CS info from QLD, Australia on June 4, 2015 @ 6:51 pm
Erin - I hope your husband does not harm himself. i know you did not ask for help- but I added it.

I can see John and I may not agree many things but I respect everyones opinion-

I also have one who is 13 but what you and I spend may the same or different -

My partner did not know here her father - and her mum is less than desirable - My children do not have a grandfather or any connection to cousins Aunts uncles - So that also influences my personal views and not my understanding of CS. There are long term implications and I really dpo for sorry fo any dad or mum where the child they have is disconnected from them and or the relationship you describe is the situation- it is wrong.

I have never agreed with the amount nor disagreed - more offering ways to deal with it so you do not get charged more than you should and not just you Erin but every parent.

John is right the countries can be researched but as I said before is that debt worth never returning - Just make sure your husbands debt is at the least correct - again if his employer deducted it - you do not owe it.

I do not want to see any father or mother or childs life taken. Thats why I try to raise other considerations here.
 
By: Erin from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 7:10 pm
REAL CS I was not asking you for information on where we can go or where my husband can work for no income in Australia I was asking anyone else who see's CSA for what it is.

And frankly what do they expect a man to do when they are asking for $2000.00 a mth. In some way my husband and I agree our family would be better off if he did hurt himself as in my kids and I could live without stress and know the money that is earnt goes to the people it should.

Say what you want but it is alimony point blank cause it does not cost $300pw to raise a 14yr old and yes I have one and is the same sex.

Anyway CSA/government has brought my husband and his daughter closer NOT now the daughter "hates him" and my husband wants nothing to do with her and see's her just like her mother a thieving tart or gold digger!!

All's men need to know is prostitutes are cheaper.. The end result is not worth it
 
By: Real CS info from QLD, Australia on June 4, 2015 @ 6:15 pm
Erin- You are correct in a past life I did work there - I do not now and if I did I could not comment here. It wouuld nto be appropriate.

Yes I charge for people I help who contact me- but only if I can help as my time away from my kids costs.

You have touched on multiple issues - if an employer deducted CS and did not give it to CSA and you can show this, they can take this off your bill.

A back dated debt is from late tax lodgement or and incorrect estimate. CSA can negotiate the additional if you can take the time to speak with them

The only reason they would send police is for a welfare check if you husband threatended harm to himself or someone else - despite the view here they do not want people harming themsleves - so please make sure your husband is ok.

countries without resciprcoating jurisdiction are not great places to live. I will not provide information to people to avoid- to make sure all thier rights are addressed absolutely.

My comment that made John laugh - Australia's system is the best in the world - overseas in some places they shame dads with faces on milk cartons who do not pay, charge you until the child is 21, the lock amount in no matter what income, they jail people, send bounty hunter style debt collectors- it is appauling.

Can system improve - absolutely- the last law change however took 5 years end to end. I do not want to sit here and argue if it is good or bad - just what is correct under current rules- I do not agree with it all but that does not change it-

My view is a basics card should be used - where by what it can be spent on is limited like they do with the welfare basics card - any left over when a child is 18 is refunded- will this happen probably not- so why talk about ifs-

What I can tell you is - a payer from date of seperation for three years can take on extra work up to 30K gross income and have it disregarded from the assessment.

Do not pay cash- record all agreements- Both parents can benefit from an agreement.

If care is withheld call immediately and ask for interim care so the payment does not get lifeted for 14 weeks while you try to fix it - is that long enough probably not but that is all CSA is allowed to do.

Will there ever be a perfect system no. One of my points is stop blaming the people who administer the rules- they have as much infulence as you. Some of them will bend over backwardas to help you.

I again do not agree with care being withheld - In fact I think is abhorent - but I also think the children should be support by both parents -

Erin if this debt is new - speak with CSA and complete and ALF if you cannot afford the additional $800- they will also remove penalties based on what you have said about your husband when the debt addressed- also note the tax refund will be taken some people who have not had debt do not always realise this.

if you have a question about your rights - S107, S143 (getting money back for a kid that is not yours) CoA, NAPs, RMA, Form 5 whatever I can answer from the CSA's Child Support Guide - but no I will not tell you which country to avoid in- long term that will be worse I have seen the impact on people - the Child Support will go from finishing when the child is 18 to a debt forever and CSA can stop your passport if they think you will leave to avoid. Again not saying they should or should not- saying they can.
 
By: John from NT, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 4:52 pm
Erin

I feel for you and your partner. Please forgive this once wonderful country for fucking your life up.

Thomas Jefferson once said of the Law:
The law is like a spiders web; it catches flies but wasps fly straight through.

As far as breaking out and your FIFO question. There are a few Asian nations that are 'non-reciprocating' as defined in the relevant Legislation. Please have a look at the CSA site and download "A parents guide to Child Support" for further information. The non-reciprocating bit is about that country not needing to comply with a request from the Australian Govt for child support payments. In other words that country may choose to ignore the request from the Australian Govt. I am not going to tell you who they are on this forum.

It is my intention once retired and left Australia to setup and advisory service to help people like yourself to espace the Stalinist State that Australia has become.

Yes you have noted as well as I that Real CS may be a 'white anter' on this site. Certainly he appears to be helpful and has quite likely helped a few so this is good and I have repeatedly said that he is welcome too provide advice as much of it it factual and saves you the angst and psychological torment that comes from contact the emotionless drones at the
CSA call centre.

As I have said also several times the CSA contact staff provide at times quite misleading advice and Real CSA has pointed out the dangers of wrong advice. I could add a lot to this but won't - it would be counterproductive to other poor souls forced into weak positions. Yes this is a dangerous area to go down.

In the CSA's favour; I would say that the Legislation is so complicated that no one except the 'bottom feeders' understand it.

I wish you the best of luck but don't make the mistake of trying to get a better deal out of them - they are just doing their job and continue to get lambasted.

The real villain is the law itself and here is where the pollies and 'bottom feeders' hold sway.

Don't hold your breath or even entertain the idea that we live in a fair Democracy - we don't so get out while you can....

Best of luck.



 
By: Erin from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 6:33 pm
Tried to edit but I meant to say $1200 a month
 
By: Erin from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 5:55 pm
Beyond angry CSA have no conscience at all bad enough we are paying $1200pw now I have received a letter saying they ar garnishing my husbands pay of $2000.00 a mth for one 14yr old child. What a load of shit yes my husband has a debt due to an employer he was with for 18yrs injuring him and then sacking him and then would not give us the amount needed for our assessment. Due to this after paying for yrs with no issues they back dated and CSA gave us the debt!!! Funny they do that to a man who always paid and never argued just bent over and took it ... Haha funny that as there doing that now but it feels more like rape!! Then they waste police time to send them to my residence to see where he is living (as previously stated we live apart to try and get by) they got told nothing I am so angry I walked in shaking and then have to compose myself for the 2 children I was cooking dinner for.
Real CS you are for the system as you work/worked there and are now making money from it. I find it funny Real Cs you could make a real difference as you know the inner workings but all's you do is deflect and protect a disgusting system.
Take to to other countries great as it would be scraped I could imagine the amount of women and children dead as the affected parent can't take it!

So angry rant over but does anyone know what countries aren't affected by CSA payments as in don't work with Australia. Also does anyone know if my husband gets a job FIFO working abroad and doesn't pay Australian tax do we still have to pay???
 
By: robin from nsw, australia on June 3, 2015 @ 3:44 pm
Hi
david u stated the gov gives the mother a 18 yr income stream ? i dont know how The mother or full carer of the kids gets cut of the pension when the youngest turns 8 and all family A&B gets cut at 13 so after that the carer is on the dole or she just has another kid again. CSA payments to the carer for the kid till they turn 18 is far I think but over the top payments hell no. Im a full time working mum raising 2 kids on 712 a week after rent and the bills leaves me around 62 a week for the kids My sperm doner of a x does not pay a thing and CSA wont help me "as i work " Just saying its the system that needs working on
 
By: John from NT, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 11:58 am
Members:

To Real CSA your quote
"The Australian system is the model the rest of the world is trying to copy because believe it or not it is the best one."

Had me in stitches - I LOVE your sense of humour; keep up the good work mate.

Today Australia then next day the rest of the world will fall into place - delusional at best.

I could really see this legislation working in predominantly Catholic Philippines. There would be so many men in prison that the whole economy would collapse. Spare a thought for the parishoners too. OMG keep the dream alive as the man with the golden tongue once said.

Dave etal re caring arrangements and % care:
Many of my friends who have consciously avoided the need for FLC/CSA are in much better shape than us hapless souls. Yes indeed Real CSA etal have said that avoiding these agencies is the best way forward and it is but only if BOTH parents want the best outcome for both parents and their kids.

It takes two to tango and my X is not interested; the default position is for her to suck me dry and that's why I refer to here as the Black Widow (BW) the female eats the male after consumation of the Act ha. This fact has ruined my life, my self esteem and any chance of recovery back to normal life - good one!

Just one more thing: A friend similarly afflicted by CSA etc. Once said to me and this is worthy of attention:
"It should be compulsory for all high school boys(part of the curriculum) too have a course on the marriage and defacto relationships and what 'the state' will do to them if it all goes wrong what are their rights (one) etc etc. At least then they can be informed before using the wrong 'head' to make life changing decisions.

But today I say thanks Real CSA (the Court Jester) - you are the life of this site and I commend you for it - keep up the good work mate!

Good luck to you all



High school lessong in curricullum

 
By: Erin from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 12:54 pm
Thanks wilma we have been dealing with this for 7yrs so far we have 4yrs left. I feel for you son and empathise on how much it will affect his future as in if he meets someone gets married and try's to have a family. CSA cripple the person who doesn't have any care! And in saying that this may not be the fault of the person paying usually the father.
David I agree it is crap we drive a second hand car but his ex is in a $50,000.00 car. We are in a little 3bd home yet the ex is in a near new 4bd. My husbands ex has 3 children with 3 different men none of whom have access she has a nice little side business! Yet hubby and I are having to live separately and they still take it. The assessment should not be of our Gross income we don't even get our gross income. The assessment should be taken of our net/take home pay.
Oh and to CSA INFO I worked and didn't get maintanence but yes got a small amount of parenting payment from memory around 2-300 a fortnight yet my daughter had more provided for her then what she does now! As even though the girls are the same age my daughter is not considered to be worth the same amount!! Yes yes I know u will bang on with the percentage crap but let's be real.
My husband has definitely been a victim of parental alienation and we spent over $30,000.00 in the court system to get consent orders yet they ignore them. The law should be if consent orders are in place and not followed the money stops! I bet it would change a lot of women's perspectives on keeping children away from the other parent.
Also the children are 2 people's so it should be 50/50 money as in if it costs us 300pw it should cost the ex that. So if CSA say it costs $300pw then we should only be paying $150. I'm sorry I stand by the fact all's we are paying is alimony to a women who is damaging my husbands daughter.
 
By: David from Queensland, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 12:27 pm
50/50 how about the case the mum earns + her new husband or partner earns + my child support actually brings her less than half my income above my after tax income. equation is not fair. your scenario does sound like a good one but not always the case. and on maybe a more personal opinion i think after separation the initial period is bad but after several years we all should work to support our children and not live off the other parent for 18 years. some might disagree with my next opinion and i don't mind but i would say make child support up until school age then get your own job. i work hard get promotions, just to support my ex's renovations and house upgrades which i could never myself afford until maybe after i'm no longer financing my ex. i would actually be happier earning maybe a bit less and picking my kids up from school and spending that valuable time. again my point is we need something major here to happen. as it is apparent from all the comments on this site there are many people here telling their stories of how unfair it is. so even if australia in maybe a few peoples mind the best i would respectfully disagree or is it just best of the worst and still in need of major changes to make it somewhat fair? i've heard the US is pretty bad in these cases and without going into detail actually some stories i've heard of child support and dividing of assets in asia sounded pretty fair to me.
also your comment "should the kids live at lower standard with her" in the case where 1 parent might not earn much. from my personal experience i would say maybe not quite as bad as you might think. maybe it is with the single stay at home mum if the child is younger than school age. though especially not fair in the scenario i described above. a 50/50 care arrangement with 1 parent would provide a huge amount of valuable time with both parents. maybe 1 parent might be able to afford the latest computers and educational tools and taking them overseas and tuition costs but this doesn't mean the time with the other lower income parent is a huge harm to the childs development. money doesn't solve all problems, but it does solve problems like house upgrades and renovations for the lower income mother.
 
510. By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on June 3, 2015 @ 12:14 pm
Hi David. It's not rude. My point about parkinson was simply the cost validation and not agreement or disagreement.

Parkinson review cam from dads saying the system was unfair. The new amounts were meant to be better but in reality custody is not legislated so nothing really changed.

50/50 no payment. Just consider a couple where mum and dad choose her to be stay at home mum. They seperate she has no enploymeny and dad does. She gets work but a lot less income than dad should the kids live at lower standard with her? Or mum earns more should dad not be able to provide in same way. This is what the current formula considers. I am not agreeing or disagreeing just adding the basis.

The Australian system is the model the rest of the world is trying to copy because believe it or not it is the best one.

For every father suffering alienation there is another who walked away and left his kids in poverty for every mum who stops access for money win another begs for the kids dad to see them.

I agree we should always try to make the system better. Just consider if mum or dad do the wrong thing should the kids suffer more.

A father should not loose his kids. A parent who uses CS as their income plan would be very short sighted also