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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Hell from wA, Australia on July 4, 2020 @ 1:19 am
    To all of the men complaining about child support-
    Think before you have sex- it’s your choice it’s now your consequence
    Put your children first, stop feeling sorry for yourselves you pathetic disempowered loosers
    1940. By: ,Shane from Nsw, Australia on July 3, 2020 @ 10:31 pm
    My ex has been living 750km away from one of my children and still claims 100% care , reported her to CSA and they have send it’s fine for a 17 year old to live in her housing commission home by himself for the past 12 months partying and because she deposits money to him each week is classed as a carer. He also receives Jobseeker but have been told full payments still apply. After reporting her it took a 5 week investigation for them to come back and say it is ok for her to do this. I am astounded at the lack of information I have been given and no this is not right. I will be objecting to the decisio within 28 days , it has been one week since the decision and today received a call to say they will be deducting the disputed amount as from next week. I haven’t had time to object yet . The system is not impartial. , extremely corrupt. Any advice is appreciated
    By: Scott from VIC, Australia on June 25, 2020 @ 12:37 pm
    Under a Change of Assessment application where no discrepancies have been found does the CSA have the legal ability to change my actual income after providing an accurate estimated annual salary figure that was consistent with my employee contract, all payslips and bank statements. The CSA then used a formula to give a false daily pay rate and annual salary that was more than double my Actual Income and creating an arrears of more than $10,000.

    The agency has then stated that Special Circumstances are now met under reason 8a that until this formula was applied could not have been applied.

    I believe the CSA Should not be able to change my Actual annual salary as this would not be recognised by the Tax department or even a Bank if I were to apply for loan.
    By: Mark from Formerly WA, United Kingdom on June 7, 2020 @ 11:56 pm
    Attached is the link to my latest piece about Class Actions and protesting.
    This is piece is aimed at those people who are going through the hell that is the Australian Family Court and Australian Child Support Agency, and are considering instigating class actions.
    https://markkosmider.com/2020/06/07/what-type-of-action-would-get-the-australian-governments-attention/
    By: Next to homeless from WA, Australia on May 10, 2020 @ 10:00 am
    Hang in there guys. I know it tests us at our very core every day to go through this. To keep going year after year after year. Over a decade has been taken by the ex who in that time has orchestrated a fake story of who I was a husband, person and father. I was chewed up and spat out, a vro taken out against me follow by year upon year of control of me and the kids by the ex. I saw very little of the kids in the early years. I don't know how but she somehow keeps control of my kids until they are eighteen in my experience (I have 5 kids so have seen the pattern). That I struggle to understand, if I was them I would not even ask I would just walk out the door and say I am going to see the other parent whether that was the mum or dad. Although part of my does understand as I have been on the receiving end of that emotional control during marriage as fully grown adult and did everything I could to keep her happy as the tantrums and childish behavior we all had to suffer if we didn't keep her happy was horrendous.
    Ok to discard you like trash but put out the hand to take you money. $610 a week child support. I will pay for my kids any day, no problem but no one needs this much weekly for two kids. This is just funding her crossfit, morning coffees, overseas holidays and paying her mortgage. I will never understand someone wanting to "win" over another person, if I was in a position to do that I would make sure the kids saw their mum and everything was amicable and chilled out.
    Pretty hard to respect a person that puts themselves before their kids but puts on a fake persona that they are all for their kids. Also hard to respect someone who yearly takes money from The Smith family charity when it is not needed. Also to apply for local government sport assist to pay sport fees for kids and then pretending she paid, she doesn't know I know this one. Charity and assistance are for people in need. Trust me if you visited the ex's house which was my house, the one I worked FIFO for years to build and if you saw the lifestyle it well above the average of the population.
    I am in a bedroom in someone's house getting by day to day, lot's of debt and can only count the days until I am free from control and financial drain. Two years left now. I have been counting for so long now.
    It astounds me that this story is so common. Can't people just be nice to each other. Have a conversation to end things and work out what is best for the kids, share the assets etc.
    Instead it turns into a greedy grab and a game of keepy off with the children. In the case of my ex this was the only way she was going to get ahead in life. She never worked (hence the need to FIFO) was a lazy person, sat on her arse watching TV when I got home from work everyday. They see the financial gain which as a certainty. Winning lotto not likely and the thought of working not appealing. So they cheat on their husband, put on some tears in court to get a vro base don lies, control you completely until the kids are eighteen.
    Two years to go. 24 months. 104 weeks. There is light at the end of this crazy tunnel
    By: jeffrey OBrien from nsw, australia on May 4, 2020 @ 4:23 pm
    been a disabled pensioner since 1994 child support have had me paying late payment penalty fees ever since my wife run away with her present husband the child support office have said it was to stop when he turned 18 in 2005 and CSO Have charged me $50.00 week from my DSP aged 62 now and that boy is 32 years old and was an adult employee at age 17 he also illegally went to Korea in 1992 without my SIGNATURE ON HIS APPLICATION TO LEAVE AUSTRALIA I AM AT PRESENT TAKING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST HER WHEN I CAN FIND HER BECAUSE CSO WONT PROVIDE ANY HELP EXCEPT SAYING YOUR CHILD SUPPORT SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IN 2005
    By: Mark from Jersey, United Kingdom on April 20, 2020 @ 11:36 pm
    Replying to Andrew Sialeipata from Queensland, Australia.

    I'm sorry to read of the horrific situation you now find yourself in.

    Parenting Orders aren't really worth the paper they are written on - as you are finding out. There is no punishment when the orders are continually contravened. Many parents are subjected to this contempt of court, usually without recourse. Unless you are willing to spend a small fortune. Also, because you are happily re-married, your ex will continually hold this against you. Alienator's will think nothing of using your shared children to get back at you.

    What you are now going through is Parental Alienation (Google it). You need to understand this, you need to nip this in the bud immediately because time is the alienator's best friend. Time is your worst enemy in this case.

    Join these groups, they are really very helpful.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1392887140933658/
    https://www.facebook.com/australianbrotherhoodoffathers/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/178235639470260/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/353704511631668/

    Best of luck!

    You might find some useful information in my blog.
    https://markkosmider.com/


    By: Andrew Sialeipata from Queensland, Australia on April 17, 2020 @ 9:55 pm
    Since i had repartnered and remarried my exwife has made it so difficult for me to see my children. Though i have consent orders in place the ex doesnt honour any of the agreements in place but when i have my children and i bring them home late the ex quickly recites the consent orders.
    My heritage is samoan and the ex had my daughters tonsils removed because " samoans have oversize tonsils which causes her to snore therefore must be removed" my daughter has flat feet and yes you guessed it because shes samoan. My daughter is overweight and i have brought it up with the ex and the same thing its because she is yes samoan. I deal with a spiteful person and i need to beg her for permission to let me see my kids I drive an hour and a half to pick my kids up, on many occasions on arrival to the pick up destination ill receive a text saying the kids arent coming with you this weekend. I hold back tears and drive home.
    By: Mark Kosmider from WA, Australia on April 14, 2020 @ 9:07 pm
    False Allegations Research Project

    Hi Group

    I launched my False Allegations Research Project 4 April 2020. To date I have emailed 12 surveys, of which 2 have been returned to me completed.

    Many of us have been the unfortunate recipients of False Allegations in the Family Courts in Australia, so now is your time to have your say. The more respondents who take part in the survey the more accurate will be the data, and consequently, the final report about the crisis us falsely accused find ourselves in. I am hoping to receive a minimum of "300" completed surveys. More would be ideal.

    I am undertaking this research project because 10-years ago this month (April Fool's Day to be precise) I was falsely accused of abusing my then 33-month old son in the Family Court of WA. In July of this year I will have been alienated from him for 10-years. No contact at all. Not even a photo or school report. And yet, I have still had to pay child support!

    Rather than get angry and bitter and twisted, I am hoping to use the results of my research project to highlight the problem, and to bring about change and accountability.

    You can find more details about the project, including the survey document by clicking on the link below.

    Please feel free to pass on this link to anyone you feel may want to take part who are not members of this group. My email is mkresearchproject@gmail.com.

    Thank you, Mark Kosmider
    https://markkosmider.com/project/
    By: Tracey Pedlar from WA, Australia on April 10, 2020 @ 9:06 pm
    For my son who is happy to pay for his children.
    3 Chidren, 9,10 and soon to turn 13
    13 year old lives with Dad. As she will be turning 13 soon his child support is increasing. (Teenagers cost more, yes ok) BUT get this, the mother who has the younger 2 kids gets the extra money from him, when the child lives with him!
    Mmmmmmm
    Teenager with Dad going to cost him more, but he has to pay more maintenance?? What
    By: Mark from WA, Australia on April 10, 2020 @ 7:33 pm
    1930. By: Darren from NSW, Australia on April 9, 2020 @ 11:30 pm

    I had the same happen to me: one year the CSA inflated my income by about $30k. Unfortunately the CSA have multiple ways of assessing income. Your ATO assessment is only part of the process. They can assess you on your potential! Such as your potential to earn cash money, which industries like your are notorious for. If not done so already you need to lodge a change of assessment. If this is unsuccessful you need to appeal their decision. If your appeal is unsuccessful you need to lodge an application with the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Give the time that has elapsed, you may need to lodge extension of time applications for you can a lodge your appeals.

    Also, and I am not saying you do, but if your income is X and yet your lifestyle suggests an income of Y, then you can find yourself paying inflated child support.

    Lastly, join this group if you haven't already - they may be able to offer more comprehensive advice. https://www.facebook.com/groups/178235639470260/
    1930. By: Darren from NSW, Australia on April 9, 2020 @ 11:30 pm
    Back in 2016 the CSA done an audit or review thing on me. Gave me a notice saying that I earnt $961,000 for the year. I'm now still getting chased for it. I've Been given a departure proabiton order to not leave the country. I now have a debt of about $61,000 and steadily increasing due to the stupid interest and fees they slap on it. I can goto the ATO website and clearly see what I earnt that year and what I was taxed on. These guys are vultures sometimes. They go with a computer generated algorithm that is way out of touch.
    I'm just a mechanic.... never in my wildest dreams have I earnt that type of money
    By: Don from Qld, Australia on March 31, 2020 @ 7:17 am
    I have been paying child support for my daughter for the last 10yrs and I have not seen or heard from her. I know she lives in USA with her mom. She turns 18 this August and child support says I still need to pay until she finishes schooling July 2021 cause they live in USA. Is this fair? I also have a two year old boy to care for. Please help any suggestions. It’s depressing and and unfair to my wife I am completely over paying child support. Need to put more attention for my son and give him a better future. What can I do? I thought once they turn 18yrs it’s over paying.
    By: Terry from VIC, Australia on March 4, 2020 @ 3:57 pm
    DAVE : This incidents should be shared with a local member of parliament.????? you joking mate ? I have try with several times with different members of Parliament , and they wont touch it with a 10 foot pole!!! When I approached my member of parliament they just quoted policy's from CSA/Humans services website.
    By: Dave from Vic, Australia on March 3, 2020 @ 12:48 pm
    To MICHAEL from VIC.
    Word cannot describe the pain of losing your beautiful daughter to suicide, let alone as a result of a negligent and faceless system, the CSA. My heart goes out to you mate, I'm crying just thinking of what you're going through, I really feel for you mate. Please ensure you seek help (Mens helpline) to process the grief and don't let the loss of your daughter go unanswered. The CSA needs to know what has transpired as a result of their actions.

    TO ALL.
    Michael's story is horrific to say the least. Just this forum alone there are nearly 2000 recorded incidents of threats, bulling, harassment, manipulation and cohesion by the CSA. This incidents should be shared with a local member of parliament. While I agree with comments the system is designed to ensure non paying fathers support their kids, it's the fathers who pay and care for their kids that get hit the hardest. I have my kids 50/50 pay all their bills and child support, yet I too get the wrong end of the stick from the CSA. The system is poorly governed, staff not trained to deal with men who are at the lowest point in their lives and I daresay staff at CSA are on a monthly collections target. They use a calculation algorithm that does not take into account an individual's financial situation and heavily bias against the 'payer'. The system is broken!

    The CSA, in the majority of cases, is the first touch point of acknowledging our failed relationship with our ex and the breakdown of our family unit. At this point we are emotionally venerable, we are process grief and living life one day at a time. This juncture of our lives is very, very dark with extreme emotional pain that simply won't subside. It is at this point CSA grace us with their presence. I know I've been there! While it wouldn't be hard to link it back to the actions of the CSA, I would suggest that the proportion of the 45 men who commit suicide each week some would be attributed to the actions of the CSA. The CSA staff need to be able to deal with men who are suffering from mental health issues due to trauma of having their lives ripped apart. The CSA need to implement a system that empower their cases managers to review each case separately and to offer free counseling along with mental and emotional health support groups. They need to have a system that is non bias to either the payee or payer and take into consideration all aspects of the payer's financial situation... But nothing is done about it!

    If each and every one of us who posted on Father 4 Justice wrote a letter to Hon Kevin Andrews MP who's leading the reform of Family Law and Child Support Laws on their experiences with CSA and suggested reforms ,i.e. treat us as individuals not just a number in the system we might be heard. We all need to be heard for sake our children and the sake of all the great Dads out there being abused by the CSA and broken family court system.

    Write your letters/emails to:

    Hon Kevin Andrews MP
    (Principal Office)
    1st Floor 651-653 Doncaster Road
    Doncaster, VIC, 3108
    PH: 03 98489900
    Em: menzies@aph.gov.au

    Ref Media Release:
    https://www.pm.gov.au/media/joint-parliamentary-inquiry-family-law-and-child-support
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mind/australian-men-are-in-crisis-with-suicide-rates-rising-meet-some-of-the-men-wholl-die-this-week/news-story/4488a31ab0392ce1f7ee1a8717e73d38

    UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL

    By: Marjorie from WA, Australia on February 19, 2020 @ 11:05 pm
    Asking for an Alienated Father friend I support. Has anyone had any luck appealing to the AAT to have a debt wiped – a debt that accrued as penalties over a period. Assessments have since been corrected because of proof of no income and now he is on benefits due to depression, so there should therefore now there should be no penalties retrospectively. If unsuccessful with the AAT, can anyone advise the next step in the process?
    By: Darrin from Victoria, Australia on February 18, 2020 @ 12:03 am
    Just a warning to everyone out there. Years ago my Ex claimed I never paid Child Support, I did, in cash, every week... so then Child Support gets involved, and informs me I owe $80k, I explain to them I have paid, in cash, every week.. and they asked for dates and receipts... To which I had none, as things were amicable. So basically Child Support said TOUGH, YOU HAVE TO PAY.
    Now, I’m told the inheritance I was to receive for my deceased mother has now been taken by Child Support (by law) and there’s nothing I can do about it.
    So be warned people, CSA don’t believe anything you say, don’t give a shit about what you say, and honestly don’t care about you at all
    By: Next to homeless from WA, Australia on February 15, 2020 @ 9:50 pm
    My child support increased to $610 per week. Although it sucks that this amount really is providing my ex a luxury lifestyle and I don't even see the kids. I just try not to go there in my head anymore. Just over two years to go and getting closer every day. Sure I will have paid her house of by then and she would have had countless overseas holidays at my expense while I have missed meals, defaulted on rent, defaulted with the bank,become used to be spoken down to by CSA, creditors, feeling unworthy as I am always in debt and uneasy about where the next meal is coming from etc. There is the other aspect too of it making a possible relationship now very hard due to the financial aspect which forces me to work a second job, so no time or money for a partner really. Maybe it's the many years under my belt of dealing with this nonsense and the less amount of years ahead but I almost at peace with it. Don't get me wrong I have my moments when it really bothers me but each day the end is that bit closer, it is one less day that she has a guaranteed financial boost to rely on, it one day closer to the end of the connection with this person, the end of the control that was imposed from day one of her cheating then putting a VRO on me, followed by years and years of control and stupidity all to try and save face, cover up, keep the kids from me and just generally be an all round bitch. I am ok, because I earn every dollar that has ever come to me. Always have and always will and because of that integrity I can hold my head high. The day is getting closer that my kids will drive, then the control is less again for my ex. My kids just might visit their dad :) There is something that can't be taken away by anyone and that is that there is an end to this. My child support now at an all time high I at least know it can't get any higher. Well unless she works less or quits work , which knowing her could happen. If that happens I will deal with it. The days of control are disappearing then all that person will have is material possessions, their shitty morals and standards, their fake personality and having to live with the fact that they are a crappy human being. I need not wish harm to them.I wish good for them as they are going to need it as they are truly clueless what a good stand up person actually is.
    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on February 13, 2020 @ 7:16 pm
    Hi Holly from QLD
    Sorry to say it doesn't matter what you do child support (assholes) always win
    They even have the authority to call your place of employment to find out what you earn
    I learnt that from experience
    If you have a filthy maggot ex like me all you can do is quit your job and go on centerlink
    $20 a fortnight is all they get then
    And it's never about the kids is all about hurting the fathers
    I have tried for years to beat the system and there isnt a way
    I pay a ridiculous amount each week but child support don't care
    By: Holly from QLD, Australia on February 12, 2020 @ 11:48 am
    Hi, I'm a mother who pays child support and I have not seen my children for over 3 years (now 19 & 16). Parental Alienation. Simple as that. I know its more often mothers who do this to their ex husbands but I never thought it would happen to me...I was a stay at home mum who worked part time to care for our family and children. He refused mediation. I have no contact with him either which is police ordered due to harassment. I do have direct contact with the kids via their phones but I don't get a response. I will never forgive him for denying and destroying my relationship with my kids - its only hurt them (me too but I've had counselling etc to get past it)

    So I pay child support on time per the assessment every month. My income went up slightly as I moved away for work and started working full time, also rented out my house and even though its a loss its taken into the CS calculation I believe. I now don't have the property. If I delay lodging my tax return do my Child Support payments get backdated and by how far? Or do they just change from when they were re assessed when I lodge my return? Any advice as I think I'm going to get slammed with a huge bill.
    By: StevenG from QLD, Australia on February 8, 2020 @ 3:03 pm
    I have just looking through some of the comments here and CSA certainly seem like the bullies that they are.
    The question I have is regards to a phone call that I received from CSA today regarding change in Custodial arrangements as reported to them by an ex-wife.
    I did the whole expensive Court Orders in the Family Court drama several years ago and it has been working fine until my son decided 2 years ago to stop coming to my place. His mother has always been tying to get me out of his life and when he stopped coming to my place she would have been happy with that.
    So my question is can CSA force me to back pay total payments for the last 2 years? I have always paid what the CSA has dictated and have never missed a payment.
    So if a child decides to stop coming to my place does this change my CSA payments and can it be back dated and if not then what are my options?
    I am hoping that someone can provide me with some options.
    Cheers,

    Steve

    1920. By: Max from NSW, Australia on February 7, 2020 @ 8:26 pm
    Hi Gents
    I’m sure a few of you have been or are in the same situation as I am at the moment.
    Around twelve years ago I had a very brief relationship and since then have been paying child support. Over the years my wage has increased to the point where CS is charging me an exorbitant amount. I have no problem with paying CS even after being trapped into this situation but do not wish to be robbed blind.

    My main question is;

    if I were to leave my current employer, create a company and be a director of that company, become an employee of that company and be paid around 80k per annum as reportable income to CS and the company invested any profits into say property or shares, can CS touch any bank accounts/shares/property that are in the company’s name being that it is a separate entity to myself?

    I don’t have any other children so having a taxable income of 80k and CS taking want they deem to be correct should be more than enough to raise a child in good stead.

    Thanks for your input everyone,
    Cheers, Max.
    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on February 5, 2020 @ 8:05 pm
    Seriously Who can afford a holiday
    I can't even afford to eat well each week
    I couldn't even afford a ferry ticket to manly
    By: Ted from Formerly QLD, USA on February 4, 2020 @ 8:09 pm
    Hi CSA Legal,

    Yes they can freeze you from leaving the country, happened to me. Had to pay to leave and it’s the last time I have stepped foot back in Australia. If you have been through the family law process and CSA your are guilty until you prove otherwise. They will fax you a letter and it will have the ramifications worded in the content of what will happen if you try and leave the country through customs. Federal police will arrest you on the spot. Try work out the minimum payment so you can work. Otherwise prepare a case for losses earnings and reputation. Very difficult and costly for you to hit them with legalities as they are a government body.
    By: is CSA process even legal? from VIC, Australia on February 4, 2020 @ 5:17 pm
    Pay close to top level bracket child support, have children school hols and 1 weekend every month, work in sales so base + comission, so fluctuates rapidly. Just got a notice from CSA saying i owe additional 20k based on change of assessment that was filed. Never received a call stating impact just a change in care level. Since 3 months have passed since lodgement I cant dispute, received emails to my GOV but thought they were just statement notifications. Stated the "other party" has supplied evidence that i only had the children 45 nights in calendar year instead of 52, which falls below regular care level (interstate situation), this was then backdated 2 years, and assessment team has come up with a figure of 20k lump sum, or payment plan of min 5k per month over next 4 months? cant show me workings or evidence how. which I have till friday to pay or i cant leave the country. I work in a sales role for a global company and travel to Asia and USA regualarly and leave next week. how can CSA demand 20k through a process you are not involved in, and not let you leave the country based on an assessment using one set of evidence? I asked for extension of time to supply evidence, but they refused. I need to pay or i cant leave the country given communication issue and christmas holidays, no extension or review possible. is this normal or even legal??? should i seek legal advice?
    By: Lucy from NSW, Australia on January 31, 2020 @ 4:24 pm
    I'm commenting on behalf of my husband..it's awful to watch him go through this BS with no support from a biased government department. Whilst I know there are some terrible fathers out there that don't care about their children, why doesn't anyone acknowledge the terrible mothers that don't give a shit about their children? My husbands ex-wife does is seriously only interested in money. She is so bitter and we have no idea why because she's the one that ended their relationship 9 years ago! All the CSA bullshit we go through is insane and so 'pro-mother' it's not even funny. We've objected to reassessments being done and CSA turn around and almost DOUBLE the income they think he should earn..AFTER our objection. How is it possible for unqualified people to make decisions regarding businesses when they don't own one themselves nor are they qualified accountants? So f*$king angry! And on top of that they set an almost maximum CS amount for almost 4 years but she can change her income every year?!?! We're considering going through the AAT for that reason alone not to mention everything else. And to these mothers that say 'oh raising kids costs money' then why are you denying the father additional custody even when he asks every single month?!?! They use the child as bait to get more money!! His ex has multiple properties, a 6 figure salary, just bought a new $100k car, gets maximum child support ($15k & counting) and STILL won't pay for the school uniforms...has admitted she'd rather see the child go in plain clothes! WTF?! She's absolutely disgusting and living proof she does not give a f*&k about their child.

    And for any mothers reading this thinking 'oh you don't understand, you're not in their position'. Firstly, thank god - every time I think about her I'm grateful that I wasn't born a nasty, bitter, vindictive, spiteful b*tch. Secondly, I'll never be in her position because my children will always come first. Money doesn't make people happy...it certainly isn't making her happy.

    Has anyone had any experience/luck with the AAT by any chance?

    I know it might seem a little out of the ordinary, but I'm with the fathers here. I feel for you guys, especially when you're doing the right thing by your child.
    By: Harry from NSW, Australia on January 28, 2020 @ 8:54 pm
    Lucas i am not clear on your comments here. You state that you had an Arrangement with "no Child Support". Do you mean that the CSA was not involved or that you paid no CS due to the 50/50 Arrangement you had? Why has the situation/Arrangement now changed? Has your Ex. now engaged the CSA to collect on her behalf?
    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on January 28, 2020 @ 7:06 pm
    Child support are just a bunch of scum bags
    We can't win guys
    It's all a f##cking joke
    By: Lucas Walters from New South Wales, Australia on January 28, 2020 @ 4:52 pm
    I have 50/50 with my ex wife and have had an Agreement With her for the last 5 years with no child support. And she just had a baby with her new partner and now she is making me pay child support. Prior to this she was and alway had Make more money then me. My fight is I won’t to get the money to my kids and not me ex wife who I know she will not give that money or my kids. Has anyone got help
    By: Harry from NSW, Australia on January 15, 2020 @ 2:36 am
    The system is f##ked. But it definitely is not simple. Those who have been attacked by this brutal system understand it's dark oppressive impact upon our lives and mental health. Us victims, of this f##ked system, have choices. We either accept the oppressive will of the STATE, upon our lives, or we discover the warrior within and fight with the same tenacity that they use against us, they don't like it nor should they. If you can, try to avoid speaking to them at all. If you have to speak to them always prepare. Read the bull##it rules they attempt to jam down your throats, find the flaws/contradictions in the garbage they tell you, never accept anything they tell you, prepare daily phone call plans, referring back to your own notes/records of every CSA phone conversations, always pointing out THEIR errors, this will empower you. Be polite but extremely assertive. NEVER accept and NEVER agree to anything, don't allow them to speak over you. This organisation is your uninvited enemy, they do not have your interest in mind.

    To be most effective you should be putting your energy into getting the recieving parent to agree to a private arrangement and getting the state away from you. This is usually quite challenging though it is a short cut in the process, saving time, money and a truckload of negative emotions. Here the warrior applies creativity, assertiveness, negotiation and lets' go of the ego/victim mentality.
    There are ways and means to stand against this ruthless monster titled the CSA. We cannot grant it authority or permit it entry into our lives. If it enters we must ensure it exits ASAP before too much damage is done.
    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on January 14, 2020 @ 7:16 pm
    It's simple
    The whole system is f##ked
    1910. By: Harry from NSW, Australia on January 14, 2020 @ 9:49 am
    There IS another way out of this soul draining circus. Do what ever you can to get the claiming parent to go into a PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT. The claiming parent simply has to make a phone call to the CSA and confirm that they no longer require the services of the CSA and would prefer to engage in a PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT. Make an offer to the claiming parent. Threaten
    your own court action. Negotiate conditions with the other parent, mediate, quit your job, go on a sickness benefit (because you really aren't well. Do what ever it takes to get the other parent to make that CSA phone call and remove the STATE out of your life so that you can live. You can then take control over how you want to contribute to your children's lives.
    By: Allan from In hiding, Australia on January 12, 2020 @ 10:19 pm
    Response to "Sharron from Tas, Australia on January 8, 2020 @ 7:00 am"

    Welcome to the nightmare called the CSA, and it will only keep getting worse!

    As I mentioned in another response, you can try lodging an application with the AAT (Administrative Appeals Tribunal). Don't delay! Such applications are very time consuming, hence most people don't bother, or quit mid process. In my opinion it is worth a try. They are separate from and independent to the CSA.

    Once the CSA have you in their crosshairs there are not many options open to you and your partner. That being said, as has already been mentioned (by Berto?), if you can legally reside and work in another country, do so immediately.

    As "Mark from WA, United Kingdom on November 7, 2019 @ 2:44 am" wrote, another option to escape being unfairly hounded by the CSA, albeit an extreme one, is suicide.

    Best of luck.
    By: Allan from In hiding, Australia on January 11, 2020 @ 9:47 pm
    Jake from Wa, Australia on January 10, 2020 @ 5:02 pm

    You need to understand that your ATO and CSA taxable incomes can, and often are, different. very different! The CSA will grab at anything, even your rent allowance: to them this is an income. There are many other examples of this money grabbing if you care to Google. You will get nowhere appealing internally to the CSA, they are biased. You need to lodge an application with the AAT (Administrative Appeals Tribunal). If you don't do this in the correct timeframe you will first have to apply for an extension of time, which is not always successful. So don't delay! Such applications are very time consuming, hence most people don't bother. In my opinion it is worth a try. They are separate from and independent to the CSA.

    For what it's worth I don't believe you are being unreasonable, but then I am not the final decision maker. Good luck Jake from WA!
    By: Jake from Wa, Australia on January 10, 2020 @ 5:02 pm
    Lads, im reaching out for advice from anyone has been in the same situation with child support. I’m given a rent allowance through work so accommodation is affordable in the areas I need to live. It’s a non taxable income and not a classed as a reportable fringe benefit. CSA have decided it’s still a form of income and are taxing over 60 pct of the money that I am
    Given to live near my work as required. My second appeal was rejected and the tribunal seems like a waste of time as there is not enough policy to guide us. The case managers can go above and beyond to fuck you. I currently pay 22k for child support, after school care and school fees. Next year because of the cost of living I will be paying 32k and not be able to afford to live. Can anyone please provide advise. If you think I’m being unreasonable I would also appreciate your honesty
    By: Sharron from Tas, Australia on January 8, 2020 @ 7:00 am
    Well just got an extremely big shock in the mail. So afar 2020 you can piss off. Child support are recalculating my partners income from 2014. The estimate so far is $20,000. We sold my house and moved somewhere much cheaper. How on earth are we to pay that and its gonna grow when the review the other years. Meanwhile she's living the life we're paying for - kid doesn't even live woth her... Its never going to be over. I feel so sick
    By: Mick from Vic, The land of Administration on January 7, 2020 @ 8:31 am
    @Next to homeless and others... Food and shelter must always come first...don't despair and don't fret if you can't afford to pay state and corporate accounts in full. Pay them what you can. A token amount just to keep services on. Schedule EFT for ie. $20-40/mth for Gas/Elec/Water. $10/mth for telco services. Avoid making any agreements/arrangements with them as this is where people come unstuck and the hammer comes down. Any so called debt can be dealt with later and written off. Is there really any true contract in the first instance?
    By: Next to homeless from Wa, Australia on January 5, 2020 @ 7:58 pm
    So tired, tired of skipping meals, not getting full nutrition, constantly juggling bills while working two jobs so the ex can go on holidays and have a sweet life funded by me. The system is seriously flawed. It puts greedy money hungry people in a position of power over the earning parent who actually funds everything ! Fuck Australia for allowing this to happen. Another two and a half years of this shit. Tired and hungry
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 25, 2019 @ 11:15 am
    Anyone one that needs a chat today?
    Call me.Think of the kids.
    0419253521
    By: Sarah from On the run, On the run on December 24, 2019 @ 9:33 pm
    Ilia from VIC, Australia on December 22, 2019 @ 8:28 pm

    If you are having no joy appealing directly to the CSA to reduce your assessment, then your only real option, and success is in no way guaranteed, is to lodge an appeal with the AAT (https://www.aat.gov.au/). If they decline your first application appeal this - it's just he game you have to play. It is a lengthy cumbersome process, so don't give up.
    By: Ilia from VIC, Australia on December 22, 2019 @ 8:28 pm
    Hi, i will try briefly explain my situation. Im self employed in family business. Business does not work with cash so all payments etc are traced. For tax reasons my accountant finds ways to reduce tax. My ex has applied for reassessment every year, claiming i earn lot more than i declare. The first year CSA was fair and we simply agreed on the pay amount. Second year got a nasty assessor who decided to double my wage ignoring any defence of mine and doing all she can to defend her decision. I have been paying this amount for two years now and has set me back financially. My wage is unfairly set, can someone help or tell me who to talk to as im fed up talking to these CSA bullies.
    1900. By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 17, 2019 @ 10:12 pm
    Shane Mate< I have had a similar thing happen.
    Deceitful X wife and all the bull shit.( still got shit going on, she wont leave me alone and just see my kids)
    Mate to be as up front as I can I told child support to fuck off and I will never ever give that deceitful thieving C--t a cent and I told them I know your recording the call, I know your account is at $40k and feel free to play it back to the b--ch.
    Shane mate and anyone else call me for a chat or email me if you can't talk (I go through times when I can't talk either)
    0419 926 521 or shanegodwin66@gmail.com

    We are loosing more men a year (and it's not just about the men) than we did in the Vietnam war in 6 f--k'n years.
    WTF if wrong with this hey??
    Call, text opr emasil, I have lost to many people I know because of this fucked up system.
    Happy to chat, court tomorrow morning, wish me luck..
    The X just accused me of sexually abusing the kids.
    4 months she will keep them from getting together.(long story she was investigated April before last for belting the shit out of my 5 year old Daughter)
    What a complete bottom of the barrel shit to do.
    Mate's we need to try to fix this shit, not for us because it's too late for us but for our children.
    So sorry guy's however I'm really pissed this time.
    Happy to chat if you want to call.
    By: Mark from WA, Australia on December 17, 2019 @ 2:37 am
    Shane from QLD, Australia on December 16, 2019 @ 1:07 pm

    If you suspect your wife is working cash in hand, and thus avoiding paying tax, report her to the ATO. The ATO will be more interested than the CSA. However, be sure to Cc the CSA.
    By: Shane from QLD, Australia on December 16, 2019 @ 1:07 pm
    I am not sure how child support is being calculated, and the Child support agency in Australia certainly do not take the father into account.

    I recently call the child support agency as i was advised that my ex was working cash in hand as a hairdresser for 2-3 days and also working as a receptionist for the other days. I rang the agency and asked them about this, to which they responded that if they start a investigation and they find that she is, they will not necessarily rule in my favour. My children are 16 and 17, how when the kids are at that age and fully self sufficient is one person working part time not taken into calculations.

    Additionally i also recently that my days of care was severely under calculated and had it altered, this did not result in any change to the calculation, however if my pay jumps in the slightest it is re-calculated.

    All this may sound like i am a whinging dad, I always wanted custody of my children and I always do everything i can, both financially and emotionally. Being told she is allowed to get away with cheating the system by working cash in hand and she doesn't have to work full time because she makes enough from the child support is not a fair situation, working part time when there is no reason should be taken into the calculations.

    The kicker was when talking to child support i was spoken too like i was a dead beat dad for bringing the above to their attention, i even had to ask the operator i was talking to, to please stop talking over me and that the message when calling asks the customers to talk to them with respect so i would expect the same.

    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on December 11, 2019 @ 9:07 pm
    The last post on hear has made me feel so sad
    I hope that there is someone from the government that reads it and finally does something about it
    I hope that the gentleman has good support from family and friends
    Our hearts are with you mate
    By: Michael from VIC, Australia on December 11, 2019 @ 10:46 am
    I have been paying CS for 4 years. 2 yrs ago my ex decided to send my eldest child to a private school. I objected. The CSA over ruled my objection and forced to pay for private school fees where I did not want to send my child. My child was a closely connected girl with her friends and moving her to a new school 10km away from home alienated her from her friends. Then thew school announced it was closing down (PCW Melbourne). My daughter got depressed about losing friends and moving schools again and she ended her life, at 13 years old. She left a note "I just want my friends back". I know she hated school as she told me this.
    My issue is that my wishes as a parent were never considered. I had no choice but to let the CSA decide what they think is best for the child, with no reference to her, her life or her situation. My objections were solely considered financial and the CSA forced me to comply with my ex and their rulings.
    My beautiful daughter killed herself. I am broken. How can a government debt collecting agency over rule what the parent considers is best for the child?
    By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 7:24 pm
    Everyone should watch A current affair
    Pauline Hanson is trying to sort all this b/s out
    By: berto from Qld, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 12:35 pm
    You'll also be happy to know that DHS is about to spend a bucket load of money to rebrand. Obviously they think that will help. LOL god can't help this organisation.

    By: berto from Qld, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 12:30 pm
    Writing in this forum will do little to change things.

    Send to PM instead- lets see how christian he really is.

    Scot.Morrison.MP@aph.gov.au
    By: TERRY from VIC, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 10:57 am
    I have been paying child support for my two children, since 2002. Both my Children live with their Mother, Tasmania. I live in Victoria , I have also paid school camps, clothes, funds for the children to visit me over holidays including flights and sports.
    Child support for son ended in November 2018. But I am currently still providing child support for daughter.
    daughter resided with me in Victoria, in January 2018 for 6 months and then decided she didn’t want to live with me due to my expectations of her attending school and getting a after school job. She went back to her mothers, in June 2018.
    I have had concerns since she has returned to her mother’s place, At 16 years old she went a lived with her boyfriend and started to receive Independent allowance (I believe living away from home allowance) through Centrelink, as she told the counsellor at Centrelink she could not live with either parent, which was not the case, she chose to not live with her parents.
    Because of this, daughter was pregnant at the age of 16.
    My daughter has split from her boyfriend and resides back with her mother, (mother) has applied for child support which was approved as daughter as she is classed as a dependent (mother receives $16.200 pa ) , but daughter is receiving a single parenting payment and child support from the baby’s father.
    I have made contact with Child Support through Centrelink regarding child support, as I do not believe I should be paying this as my daughter is independent, to be told that it’s a Centrelink matter.
    I would like more clarification around this, I am happy to support my daughter but if she is receiving payments already, then I should not be made to pay child support.

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